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Avawyn Muircastle
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12-12-2008 13:42
From: Holocluck Henly
Wow this thread sure devolved.

You know, I have a real problem with some people in SL. The ones in question are very loud too. They are extremely adamant about expressing their darker, dirtier selves and flaunting this like some social revelation, but are very VERY intolerant of anyone else's pursuits if they arent along the same dark n dirty lines.

If a guy wants to run around as a woman, who are any of you to judge them? And what makes you think they all behave the same? What makes anyone pointing the finger any better? Why haven't they put down women who choose to use male avs here? Why is any sort of crossdressing an issue with them? It sounds very bigoted.

For those looking for fake sex and fleeting experiences and express assorted hangups: WHO CARES what's on the other side? You're not there for the RL contact. If the poseball does its thing and the partner is hot and says the right things, and the conditions are perfect for getting off, where's the problem? Aren't most of these types shrugging the experience as not being real while their spouses and significant others are watching TV in the next room anyway? Why the hipocrisy?

If there's one thing this thread has confirmed, it's that self-expression and diversity do not walk hand in hand. It's the same old intolerance and discrimination song. It's all the same old same old but with a new affiliation to call superior. :rolleyes:

It's old already.


Some people are there for real life contact. Just watching visuals and waving would kill SL right away. Might as well change the name to "Sex Life" then if all ya want are pose balls.

Tolerance is a two-way street.
Avawyn Muircastle
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12-12-2008 13:57
From: Argent Stonecutter
It's only the focal point if you believe that the Constitution of the United States is founded upon the Christian Religion... AND if you believe the Christian Religion requires a woman to engage in anal intercourse if homosexual marriage were to be allowed.


I said America is founded on Christian fundamentals that involve our daily lives and make up the cornerstones of our legal system.

The marriage laws regarding consummation would dictate the second half of your retort not the church unless one is Roman Catholic with the Pope dictating "orders" regarding that or if marriage is privatized by Christian churches. Then and only then would marriage and consummation remain as cut and dried as you paint it above.

Anyhow, the vote is over. It's time to move on.
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12-12-2008 13:59
From: Avawyn Muircastle

Anyhow, the vote is over. It's time to move on.


LOL if you think it'll end there.
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Avawyn Muircastle
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12-12-2008 14:06
From: Love Hastings
LOL if you think it'll end there.


I do think it's over for the state of California. The majority wins in a state's right issue, no matter how small or wide the margin.
Love Hastings
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12-12-2008 14:25
From: Avawyn Muircastle
I do think it's over for the state of California. The majority wins in a state's right issue, no matter how small or wide the margin.


Then LOL.
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12-12-2008 14:33
And 700 posts later this is the conclusion, that America is Christian and that gay people don't have the right to marry. Wow, good thing nobody actually paid attention then. All because some boys like to wear cyber dresses, wow
Skell Dagger
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12-12-2008 14:42
Oh FFS. So the Morality Police dragged this thread up again to make a further point?

In the immortal words of Reeves and Mortimer: "YOU WOULDN'T LET IT LIE!"

Do us all a favour, love. Save the preachy stuff for when you're in church, yeah? kthxbai.

From: Avawyn Muircastle
It's time to move on.
Thank god for that. I look forward to NOT seeing your name hauling this thread to the top of the forum again.

[P.S. Nobody's going to *really* make you take it up the bottom, y'know :rolleyes:]
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12-12-2008 14:50
From: Skell Dagger

Do us all a favour, love. Save the preachy stuff for when you're in church, yeah? kthxbai.


Moi?
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12-12-2008 14:51
From: Love Hastings
Moi?
No, Avawyn.
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12-12-2008 14:55
From: Atom Burma
And 700 posts later this is the conclusion, that America is Christian and that gay people don't have the right to marry. Wow, good thing nobody actually paid attention then. All because some boys like to wear cyber dresses, wow

That does sort of sum it up, doesn't it?
Avawyn Muircastle
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12-12-2008 15:14
From: Atom Burma
And 700 posts later this is the conclusion, that America is Christian and that gay people don't have the right to marry. Wow, good thing nobody actually paid attention then. All because some boys like to wear cyber dresses, wow


No, that MARRIAGE is a Christian institution (along with other religions, i.e., Judaism).

First Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

What I don't understand about this whole thing is that those not even believing in the Christian faith or institutions or sacraments want "equal rights" to marriage when it's not even their religion?

These two ideologies don't intersect?
Avawyn Muircastle
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12-12-2008 15:24
From: Skell Dagger
Oh FFS. So the Morality Police dragged this thread up again to make a further point?

In the immortal words of Reeves and Mortimer: "YOU WOULDN'T LET IT LIE!"

Do us all a favour, love. Save the preachy stuff for when you're in church, yeah? kthxbai.

Thank god for that. I look forward to NOT seeing your name hauling this thread to the top of the forum again.

[P.S. Nobody's going to *really* make you take it up the bottom, y'know :rolleyes:]


Don't read the thread. :rollseyes:
Lyla Tunwarm
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12-12-2008 15:27
From: Avawyn Muircastle
No, that MARRIAGE is a Christian institution (along with other religions, i.e., Judaism).

First Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

What I don't understand about this whole thing is that those not even believing in the Christian faith or institutions or sacraments want "equal rights" to marriage when it's not even their religion?

These two ideologies don't intersect?

There is more to marriage than religion. Ever filled out a TAX form in the USA? There is many non-religious rights granted with marriage. The main problem is the term marriage. If you removed that and said "union" and remove the religious huff things would be different.
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12-12-2008 15:29
There is no marriage in SL. Only partnership. So this whole multipage argument is moot, null, and void as a response to the OP. (T_T)

Just taking a jab at the subject again... I have a gesture with a synth voice that says, "Welcome to Second Life. Where the men are men and the women are men with problems." Who wants a copy? =^-^=
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12-12-2008 15:39
From: Love Hastings
Then LOL.
I want you to know that for posting that Falwell ad, you have earned my eternal devotion. That is the funniest thing I've ever seen.

Maybe if the Big 3 had offered dancing lessons instead of rebates, they would not be on the precipice of being nationalized.

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12-12-2008 15:44
From: Avawyn Muircastle
Don't read the thread. :rollseyes:
I'll read what I bloody well like, thank you.
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Avawyn Muircastle
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12-12-2008 16:01
From: Lyla Tunwarm
There is more to marriage than religion. Ever filled out a TAX form in the USA? There is many non-religious rights granted with marriage. The main problem is the term marriage. If you removed that and said "union" and remove the religious huff things would be different.


I already said that in several posts long ago in this thread. A union is a secular concept and that same sex unions should be passed as does not interfere with the 1st Amendment. It seems like a win-win situation to me.

Also non-believers were never not allowed to marry in the Bible. The Jews and Gentiles got together. It is recommended for harmony in a marriage/family relationship but not a requirement.
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12-13-2008 00:42
From: Avawyn Muircastle
No, that MARRIAGE is a Christian institution (along with other religions, i.e., Judaism).

First Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

What I don't understand about this whole thing is that those not even believing in the Christian faith or institutions or sacraments want "equal rights" to marriage when it's not even their religion?

These two ideologies don't intersect?


No, its not. No matter how many times you claim Marriage is a Christian institution, it won't change the fact that it predates every modern religion(except perhaps Hinduism). Homer, who lived somewhere around 800 years before the supposed birth of Jesus wrote of married couples. Even more ancient surviving examples show clearly that marriage as a social institution has likely existed as long as human civilization.

Furthermore, American Law is NOT BASED on biblical concepts. It is based on English common law which came out of Anglo-Saxon and Norman common law, predating Christianity among the people who developed it.

Lastly, laws defining 'marriage' as ANYTHING are patently absurd. The meanings of words are defined by the common usage among the people that speak the language. We might as well pass a law defining 'Gay' as 'having or showing a merry, lively mood'. Then those dratted Homosexuals couldn't use it anymore right?


PS Oh, also Hindu is a religious identification, Hindi IS A LANGUAGE.
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12-13-2008 04:40
Wow, just wow.

/me walks away from this thread, realizing that the 1.5 hours she spent reading will never be compensated for.
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12-13-2008 04:45
From: Avawyn Muircastle
Some people are there for real life contact. Just watching visuals and waving would kill SL right away. Might as well change the name to "Sex Life" then if all ya want are pose balls.

Tolerance is a two-way street.


I dont quite understand what "RL contact" means in your message?

As in outright looking for a real person to get involved with offline as a result of reading anything someone wants to write here and expecting everyone else to be after the same thing?

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btw This was an AWESOME Daily Show moment this past week in which Jon Stewart makes excellent points about the nature of marriage and how the concept has been assimilated ( :) ) and redefined into what is being used for an argument:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=213349&title=mike-huckabee-pt.-2
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Avawyn Muircastle
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12-13-2008 05:06
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No, its not. No matter how many times you claim Marriage is a Christian institution, it won't change the fact that it predates every modern religion(except perhaps Hinduism). Homer, who lived somewhere around 800 years before the supposed birth of Jesus wrote of married couples. Even more ancient surviving examples show clearly that marriage as a social institution has likely existed as long as human civilization.

Furthermore, American Law is NOT BASED on biblical concepts. It is based on English common law which came out of Anglo-Saxon and Norman common law, predating Christianity among the people who developed it.

Lastly, laws defining 'marriage' as ANYTHING are patently absurd. The meanings of words are defined by the common usage among the people that speak the language. We might as well pass a law defining 'Gay' as 'having or showing a merry, lively mood'. Then those dratted Homosexuals couldn't use it anymore right?


PS Oh, also Hindu is a religious identification, Hindi IS A LANGUAGE.


That would come as quite a surprise to Lot and his wife who weren't married or Job and his wife who weren't married?

The Book of Job is considered to be by archaeologists the oldest copy of an ancient biblical writing in existence right now, dating back to about 8000 years before Christ.
Avawyn Muircastle
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BTW _ I tried to get ON TOPIC
12-13-2008 05:28
I tried to get this thread back ON TOPIC and offered to take this discussion to other forums and for people to IM me personally. Offered all a month ago. I think it's time to get on topic.

I already answered the OP on topic a month ago.
GeorgieBoy Juliesse
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12-13-2008 07:17
I'm a woman and I have a male alt, "GeorgieBoy". I don't think of him as *myself*, I just think of him as this little man I control. I do think he is pretty cute. :) I don't think of my female avatar as being me either. (She doesn't look a thing like me, nor do I want her to!) lol.
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12-13-2008 12:32
From: Avawyn Muircastle

The Book of Job is considered to be by archaeologists the oldest copy of an ancient biblical writing in existence right now, dating back to about 8000 years before Christ.


How is that even vaguely possible, since the world hasn't existed for much more than 6000 years?
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12-13-2008 12:37
From: Kelli May
I wouldn't be surprised if at least some "guys-in-real-life" weren't transvestites or stymied transsexuals. It doesn't take much to realise SL is a marvellous playground for anyone wanting to take a walk on their wild side. Anonymity, cheap clothes that always fit, instant curves, relaxed sexual mores and no need to spend hours with shaving and make-up.


I've met a few people that were playing women and they were CD's or transvestites in real life, but that doesn't bother me as I always treat them as I see them.

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Best of all, if you're caught, you can always say it's just a game.


I have no worries at all about being "caught", I mention in my profile, in several places, that I'm lesbian, I even have "lesbian" mentioned in my title, and I have no problem attracting women either :-).
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