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Kidd Krasner
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12-09-2008 10:48
From: Imnotgoing Sideways ...Unconditionally. If there are conditions, add them to the scripted announcement. (=_=) And get more chat spam? Should it echo the entire Community Standards? Or just echo the URLs? People are expected to learn the culture. If it's fair to expect the wearer to know that someone might come along and set the title to something really offensive, then it's equally fair to expect others to know that they shouldn't use it without getting to know the person and context first. Neither point is in the documentation.
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Love Hastings
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12-09-2008 10:50
Imnotgoing Sideways has graciously consented to allowing me to implement her Eviler Titler suggestions for a freebie (she's not responsible for the awful name, BTW). I'll add an RLV lock too. Any other ideas folks?
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Kidd Krasner
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12-09-2008 10:50
From: Imnotgoing Sideways The name suggests that evil is involved. (^_^)
Definitions of evil on the Web:
Please don't make the mistake of applying dictionary definitions to metaphorical uses. I realize you run a child av, but I'm pretty sure that if someone tells you it's raining cats and dogs that you don't really expect to step on a poodle.
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Lexxi Gynoid
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12-09-2008 10:50
From: Kyllie Wylie Except as far as I know there is not a "evil titler" available that is RLV enabled. There are RLV titlers yes, but they are strictly controlled by your master/mistress and dont have public access or make hourly announcements.
I have also never heard of a RLV viewer that dosn't let you "download another version"... I've used both the Marine and cool viewer version and never had any difficulty DL the lastest release candidate which is what I use in normal play because it automaticly installs in its own directory..as a switch I only use RLV when im subbing in a scene. The ones I saw were tied to RLV enabled viewer, RLV itself or Cool Viewer using RLV. Might not have been a product called "Evil Titler" but it was tied to RLV enabled viewer and was changeable by all but the wearer. And it was on some timer. That "download another version" and stuff along those lines had to do with the person. They gave up the power over the computer. I mean physically. Someone else has admin rights. Personally, I hate the things. The spam and the use of said titlers. Only point I was replying to was that one that indicated that she showed a lack of style (I believe that is how that was worded) in not taking off her titler. Only thing I was trying to note was that they might not have been able to take off their titler. (let's just say that it took slightly more than an hour for this message to actually post. That is assuming it works this time; I do not even remember what I wrote, or what this thread is about)
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Kidd Krasner
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12-09-2008 10:52
From: Pserendipity Daniels That was merely the first and most obvious problem with your argument, and it suggested that you were starting from a place that was too precarious for me to bother with further analysis.
Pep (Not worth my time) In other words, you don't really have any justification, so you're asserting that you do and running away.
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Jerboa Haystack
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12-09-2008 10:53
From: Dove Randt Ok what is with these things i got banned from a place because i refused to apologize to a girl whose titler i changed as a joke which is their intention. Should i have apologized for making a joke that was harmless or what. What are others thoughts on these damn things. Ok i now understand the reason I got banned for this thing...My friend went to solana and got banned because she made a complaint against charisse and Seems this girl has a stick up her ass and is power hungry.....people do not go to solana you will get banned for even standing around. Ooops...names now named. IBTL Again the question...what was so difficult about a "Hey, sorry. I didn't mean anything by it. My bad...won't happen again."? and the updated paragraph....?? non sequitur. What does a friend, sitck, or standing around, have to do with a titler?
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Argent Stonecutter
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12-09-2008 11:11
From: Imnotgoing Sideways The name suggests that evil is involved. (^_^)
Definitions of evil on the Web: Ooh! Dictionary war! evil /adj./ As used by hackers, implies that some system, program, person, or institution is sufficiently maldesigned as to be not worth the bother of dealing with. Unlike the adjectives in the cretinous/ losing/ brain-damaged series, `evil' does not imply incompetence or bad design, but rather a set of goals or design criteria fatally incompatible with the speaker's. This usage is more an esthetic and engineering judgment than a moral one in the mainstream sense. "We thought about adding a Blue Glue interface but decided it was too evil to deal with." " TECO is neat, but it can be pretty evil if you're prone to typos." Often pronounced with the first syllable lengthened, as /eeee'vil/. Compare evil and rude. evil and rude /adj./ Both evil and rude, but with the additional connotation that the rudeness was due to malice rather than incompetence. Thus, for example: Microsoft's Windows NT is evil because it's a competent implementation of a bad design; it's rude because it's gratuitously incompatible with Unix in places where compatibility would have been as easy and effective to do; but it's evil and rude because the incompatibilities are apparently there not to fix design bugs in Unix but rather to lock hapless customers and developers into the Microsoft way. Hackish evil and rude is close to the mainstream sense of `evil'.
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12-09-2008 11:13
From: Cristalle Karami There is a big difference. Playing a game is different from casual conversation. I think we have fundamentally different ideas about appropriate behavior.
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12-09-2008 11:16
From: Chris Norse The only ones I have ever seen have been worn by "slave girls", escorts, and others who were made to wear it in order to be degraded. I see people wearing them a lot in stores just because they think it's fun to have a random title. Including the owner of the store I was in, on more than one occasion. And they're not bondage stores, either. It would never occur to me to assume that someone wearing one was looking for degradation.
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12-09-2008 11:18
From: Love Hastings Imnotgoing Sideways has graciously consented to allowing me to implement her Eviler Titler suggestions for a freebie (she's not responsible for the awful name, BTW). I'll add an RLV lock too. Any other ideas folks? TOS-compliant mode. If set, it opens up a dialog containing a link to the SL TOS and asks the user whether their comment complies with the TOS. They can answer "yes", "no", or "cancel". The title is set just the same whether they answer "yes" or "no".
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Pserendipity Daniels
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12-09-2008 11:44
From: Kidd Krasner In other words, you don't really have any justification, so you're asserting that you do and running away. Nope> Read what I said. It is what I meant. It was not what you wanted to believe it was. I can't prevent you from living in a fantasy world but you can't drag me into it with you. Pep (A fantasy world with irrational logic and inappropriately framed cultural references)
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12-09-2008 11:44
From: Argent Stonecutter I think we have fundamentally different ideas about appropriate behavior. What I am is a realist.
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Pserendipity Daniels
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12-09-2008 11:45
From: Kidd Krasner If you don't know what it is, you shouldn't be guessing that it's a game, and you shouldn't be participating until you find out. The name suggests that some humor is involved, but that's not enough to go on. Answer the question, sunshine. We have said it is a game. An evil game. What do you suggest it is, if it is not? Pep (Nothing positive to contribute?)
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12-09-2008 11:49
From: Kidd Krasner Please don't make the mistake of applying dictionary definitions to metaphorical uses. I realize you run a child av, but I'm pretty sure that if someone tells you it's raining cats and dogs that you don't really expect to step on a poodle. What about hailing taxis? Pep (It's not metaphorical, nor metaphysical; it's simply an invitation to participate in an evil game)
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12-09-2008 11:49
From: Kidd Krasner And get more chat spam? Should it echo the entire Community Standards? Or just echo the URLs?
People are expected to learn the culture. If it's fair to expect the wearer to know that someone might come along and set the title to something really offensive, then it's equally fair to expect others to know that they shouldn't use it without getting to know the person and context first. Neither point is in the documentation. Really? When will people learn about my culture? I and many people have expectations too, but, nobody seems to want to allow us to do what we want in our own private parcels and regions. (>_<  Get the know the person: Someone willing to wear a publicly modifiable title with chatspam mentions of evil. (^_^) Get to know the ontext: Internet Rule 34. =^-^= From: Argent Stonecutter I see people wearing them a lot in stores just because they think it's fun to have a random title. Including the owner of the store I was in, on more than one occasion. And they're not bondage stores, either. It would never occur to me to assume that someone wearing one was looking for degradation. I think it's fun to have a random title too. That's why I own my own group and/or wear a titler I can set myself. (^_^) And... I wear my collar for degradation. The thing is... I prefer to be degraded by a select group and at the right time and place. Thank the scriptor for the owners list. =^-^= From: Argent Stonecutter TOS-compliant mode. If set, it opens up a dialog containing a link to the SL TOS and asks the user whether their comment complies with the TOS. They can answer "yes", "no", or "cancel". The title is set just the same whether they answer "yes" or "no". BORING!!! (>_<  ... Actually.... From: Imnotgoing Sideways ...It should be re-scripted to NOT repeat, log, whisper, say, shout, or even acknowledge the name of the person that changes the title. That way the wearer can simply suck it up, accept their fate for being a dufus, and people won't get banhammered for playing a game where butthurt wearers change the rules as things go along. (=_=)y =^-^=
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12-09-2008 11:52
From: Argent Stonecutter I think we have fundamentally different ideas about appropriate behavior. SL isn't a church social; it's a game. Pep (RL is a game too)
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12-09-2008 11:55
From: Pserendipity Daniels Answer the question, sunshine. We have said it is a game. An evil game. What do you suggest it is, if it is not? Pep (Nothing positive to contribute?) You've said it, that doesn't make you right. I've said it depends on the situation, and we don't know the situation. If you want to find out what it is, ask the person wearing it. That's the only way to get a reliable answer. Anything else is guessing. And please learn not to patronize. It devalues the forums.
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12-09-2008 11:56
From: Love Hastings As I have never met you in-world (that I know of, man of 6 alts), I cannot confirm that. Memory going? Pep (I would have thought you'd remember the original reason your verbal imagination seems to freeze whenever you see my name)
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12-09-2008 11:58
From: Pserendipity Daniels Pep (RL is a game too) In that case, you're not saying anything serious, since you're just playing around.
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12-09-2008 12:00
From: Kidd Krasner I've said it depends on the situation, and we don't know the situation. If you want to find out what it is, ask the person wearing it. That's the only way to get a reliable answer. Anything else is guessing. "In other words, you don't really have any justification, so you're asserting that you do." Pep (I can't patronise; you can feel patronised but I am not responsible for your feelings)
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12-09-2008 12:00
From: Imnotgoing Sideways Really? When will people learn about my culture? I and many people have expectations too, but, nobody seems to want to allow us to do what we want in our own private parcels and regions. I'd be happy to learn about your culture, and allow you do whatever you want on your own private parcels and regions.
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12-09-2008 12:01
From: Kidd Krasner In that case, you're not saying anything serious, since you're just playing around. The day one takes one's self too seriously is the day nobody else will. (^_^)y
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Love Hastings
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12-09-2008 12:01
From: Pserendipity Daniels Memory going?
Pep (I would have thought you'd remember the original reason your verbal imagination seems to freeze whenever you see my name) If I have, I must have blocked it out.
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12-09-2008 12:01
From: Kidd Krasner In that case, you're not saying anything serious, since you're just playing around. No, I am not playing golf. Pep (I take games very seriously; I used to get paid - very well - for taking them seriously)
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12-09-2008 12:04
From: Love Hastings If I have, I must have blocked it out. Your problem is that you have a tepee and a wigwam, obviously. Pep (Two tents)
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