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Kidd Krasner
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12-09-2008 08:15
From: Cristalle Karami
The OP did not comment about the ban itself. The OP asked about the Evil Titler. So calling the OP a "whiner" is somewhat misplaced.

Actually, the original poster asked whether or not an apology was called for. I don't think there are any follow-up replies from the OP. There isn't enough information to fairly judge the OP one way or another.
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12-09-2008 08:19
From: Pserendipity Daniels
But it is really cheating?

Pep (I have always wanted to ask that)
The real cheat is that the bloody thing announces who changed the title. That destroys the whole sense of evil involved! (>_<;)

It should be re-scripted to NOT repeat, log, whisper, say, shout, or even acknowledge the name of the person that changes the title. That way the wearer can simply suck it up, accept their fate for being a dufus, and people won't get banhammered for playing a game where butthurt wearers change the rules as things go along. (=_=)y
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Kidd Krasner
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12-09-2008 08:20
From: MortVent Charron
What point?

That someone can be offended by something that others are not offended by?

I see people offended all the time when I walk by as a bipedal husky, and am likewise offended by the remarks of many of them.

But I neither apologize or ask for an apology, neither would be sincere and thus worthless.

While you may be correct, nevertheless you're jumping to a conclusion in saying that an apology from others would be insincere. You're also jumping to a conclusion by assuming that an insincere apology from you would have no effect upon the others. It might not be the reaction you want, and it might be positive or negative, but don't assume it will be zero.
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12-09-2008 08:24
From: Love Hastings
How about saying, "the OP is being a Pep?"
Not my style, Love

I do stuff (I don't "call names", merely point out obvious inadequacies) and if others don't like it I don't apologise, but I don't whinge about being banned afterwards.

Pep (But I only got banned once, by mistake and I ended up having a relationship with the girl who banned me initially. :-) )
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12-09-2008 08:28
From: Kidd Krasner
Sometimes, but not always. A single example is not proof.

Your request for an apology was itself disingenuous, creating a different situation from the original post. It can't be applied.

Consider a simple "excuse me" for jostling, perhaps because a bus or train lurched. There's no fault or blame involved, yet courtesy calls for that "excuse me" to apologize for bumping into another person. It should be automatic, with not enough thought to even label it as sincere or insincere. It's certainly not an admission of guilt, nor an expression of actually caring about the other person. It's done because it's an expected social norm. As with "please", "thank you", and "how are you", it's a type of grease that keeps society running smoothly.
Your example fails in so many ways.

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12-09-2008 08:30
From: Argent Stonecutter
Yes, I agree, she showed no style at all either.

I will note again that sometimes people wearing titlers cannot just detach it. Literally. That option is not there. I do not mean they are "being good" and not detaching it, I mean the viewer the are using does not allow that. So, to take it off, she (if using this type of viewer) would have had to exit that viewer and launched the regular viewer. And some would need to actually download the regular viewer as they deleted it for one reason or another. And there is another step further I read in a thread that mentioned not being able to download regular viewer without permission. They do not have control over the computer.

I have no idea if that has any bearing in this case, just replying to the "showed no style at all" part. Quite possible had no option one way or another.
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12-09-2008 08:42
From: Cristalle Karami
The OP played along with a mischievous game where all were invited to play, and the target changed the rules. I do not believe that the OP was obligated to apologize. What they said may have been crude, but that is usually the point of using the Evil Titler, and the adult behind the avatar wearing it should have known it. That doesn't make the OP a jerk.

You, and the OP, are making incorrect assumptions about the rules.

If someone wears a shirt on St. Patrick's Day saying "Kiss me, I'm Irish", that is not an invitation for anyone on the street to grab that person and give him or her a kiss. It is an invitation for friends to give a kiss, but only if the friend knows the person well enough to know that it would be appropriate. It might even be an invitation for a total stranger to ask permission for a kiss.

The intent of the evil titler can only be interpreted in context, a context that we don't have here. However, I believe most of the readers here understand that these titlers are implemented by scripts in SL that are not readily customized by the users, and hence it may not be reasonable to change the wording of the messages that appear. Expecting that people will only use the titler according to the literal text of their messages is as silly as expecting that people will only use a cut-rate sim with over 3K prims for the literal reason described in the open space sim promotional material.
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12-09-2008 08:43
From: Lexxi Gynoid
I will note again that sometimes people wearing titlers cannot just detach it. Literally. That option is not there. I do not mean they are "being good" and not detaching it, I mean the viewer the are using does not allow that. So, to take it off, she (if using this type of viewer) would have had to exit that viewer and launched the regular viewer. And some would need to actually download the regular viewer as they deleted it for one reason or another. And there is another step further I read in a thread that mentioned not being able to download regular viewer without permission. They do not have control over the computer.

I have no idea if that has any bearing in this case, just replying to the "showed no style at all" part. Quite possible had no option one way or another.
She made that choice to begin with. I have the same client installed. I'm in it out of choice. I wear my attachments out of choice. I get involved with people out of choice. And if I wind up in an uncomfortable situation because of my choices, that's on me. (=_=)

There are things that people should just not do. Wearing locked RLV attachments with no safeword/owner list + being a thinskin = getting what you deserve, in my book. (=_=)

I wonder... Would it have been the same if it were a RLV collar, set to open, the OP found the "Remove clothing" options, and decided to have a bit of fun? (^_^)y
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12-09-2008 08:46
Aren't words difficult! I met an attractive female journalist the other day and she was wearing a badge saying "PRESS" on her left breast, but when I did as it instructed she slapped my face!

Pep (Warning to anyone I meet wearing an Evil Titler: I am going to change it to something that will get BOTH of us banned)
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12-09-2008 08:46
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Your example fails in so many ways.

Pep (As an example, we don't say excuse me in our culture)

Your inability to translate it into an example appropriate to your culture says a lot.

There are multiple cultures within SL, created by people from multiple RL cultures. Limiting yourself to your own cultural perspective means you'll never understand SL interactions.
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12-09-2008 08:47
From: Cristalle Karami
The OP played along with a mischievous game where all were invited to play, and the target changed the rules.
I don't agree with your interpretation of the rules of the game.
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12-09-2008 08:47
From: Kidd Krasner
You, and the OP, are making incorrect assumptions about the rules.

If someone wears a shirt on St. Patrick's Day saying "Kiss me, I'm Irish", that is not an invitation for anyone on the street to grab that person and give him or her a kiss. It is an invitation for friends to give a kiss, but only if the friend knows the person well enough to know that it would be appropriate. It might even be an invitation for a total stranger to ask permission for a kiss.

The intent of the evil titler can only be interpreted in context, a context that we don't have here. However, I believe most of the readers here understand that these titlers are implemented by scripts in SL that are not readily customized by the users, and hence it may not be reasonable to change the wording of the messages that appear. Expecting that people will only use the titler according to the literal text of their messages is as silly as expecting that people will only use a cut-rate sim with over 3K prims for the literal reason described in the open space sim promotional material.
Consider.... Evil Titler is probably no more than 10 lines of code. If more, it was probably written by a very dumb scriptor. Regardless, I would suggest that butthurt people make themselves a Less-Than-Evil Titler to save themselves and the people around them the drama of them not being able to handle their own choices in attachments. (=_=)y
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12-09-2008 08:49
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Aren't words difficult! I met an attractive female journalist the other day and she was wearing a badge saying "PRESS" on her left breast, but when I did as it instructed she slapped my face!

Pep (Warning to anyone I meet wearing an Evil Titler: I am going to change it to something that will get BOTH of us banned)
I'm half-tempted to add you to my collar's owners list already. =^-^=
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Cristalle Karami
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12-09-2008 08:51
From: Kidd Krasner
You, and the OP, are making incorrect assumptions about the rules.

If someone wears a shirt on St. Patrick's Day saying "Kiss me, I'm Irish", that is not an invitation for anyone on the street to grab that person and give him or her a kiss. It is an invitation for friends to give a kiss, but only if the friend knows the person well enough to know that it would be appropriate. It might even be an invitation for a total stranger to ask permission for a kiss.

The intent of the evil titler can only be interpreted in context, a context that we don't have here. However, I believe most of the readers here understand that these titlers are implemented by scripts in SL that are not readily customized by the users, and hence it may not be reasonable to change the wording of the messages that appear. Expecting that people will only use the titler according to the literal text of their messages is as silly as expecting that people will only use a cut-rate sim with over 3K prims for the literal reason described in the open space sim promotional material.

The Evil Titler is not like a shirt. A shirt may make statements but we all understand them to be rhetorical. No random person would walk up to a person who says "Kiss Me, I'm Irish" and kiss them. But a person yelling in a bar, "Kiss Me, I'm Irish" and then a few minutes later yells "No one kissed me, still waiting" is asking to be kissed.

This thing operates in open chat. It asks anyone listening to play along, and if no one does, it will repeatedly announce itself until someone does.

What I expect is that some people will use toilet humor because they find it funny. Some people will be nice, some people will be mean. It comes with the territory, that is why it's EVIL.
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12-09-2008 08:52
From: Argent Stonecutter
I don't agree with your interpretation of the rules of the game.

The rules are, change the title to whatever you want.

That's it. It's not "read the person's mind and know their sensitivities, and don't hurt their widdle feelings."
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12-09-2008 08:52
From: Kidd Krasner
Your inability to translate it into an example appropriate to your culture says a lot.

There are multiple cultures within SL, created by people from multiple RL cultures. Limiting yourself to your own cultural perspective means you'll never understand SL interactions.
You have it completely the wrong way round. You are trying to justify a behaviour with an entirely inappropriate example then blaming ME for pointing out its inadequacy. I understand multiple cultures. In Europe you have to.

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12-09-2008 08:52
From: Lexxi Gynoid
I will note again that sometimes people wearing titlers cannot just detach it. Literally. That option is not there. I do not mean they are "being good" and not detaching it, I mean the viewer the are using does not allow that. So, to take it off, she (if using this type of viewer) would have had to exit that viewer and launched the regular viewer. And some would need to actually download the regular viewer as they deleted it for one reason or another. And there is another step further I read in a thread that mentioned not being able to download regular viewer without permission. They do not have control over the computer.

I have no idea if that has any bearing in this case, just replying to the "showed no style at all" part. Quite possible had no option one way or another.


Except as far as I know there is not a "evil titler" available that is RLV enabled. There are RLV titlers yes, but they are strictly controlled by your master/mistress and dont have public access or make hourly announcements.

I have also never heard of a RLV viewer that dosn't let you "download another version"...
I've used both the Marine and cool viewer version and never had any difficulty DL the lastest release candidate which is what I use in normal play because it automaticly installs in its own directory..as a switch I only use RLV when im subbing in a scene.
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12-09-2008 08:55
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
I'm half-tempted to add you to my collar's owners list already. =^-^=
Don't accede to that temptation please!

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12-09-2008 08:57
From: Pserendipity Daniels
You have it completely the wrong way round. You are trying to justify a behaviour with an entirely inappropriate example then blaming ME for pointing out its inadequacy. I understand multiple cultures. In Europe you have to.

Pep (Insincerity in an apology is never acceptable)

I'm not blaming you for pointing out anything. I'm blaming you for being disingenuous. If you understand multiple cultures, then complaining that it doesn't apply to your culture is irrelevant to the appropriateness of the example. And you understand that too.
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12-09-2008 09:02
From: Cristalle Karami
The rules are, change the title to whatever you want.

That's it. It's not "read the person's mind and know their sensitivities, and don't hurt their widdle feelings."

Um, yeah, it is "read the person's mind [metaphorically] and know their sensitivities ...." That's a basic law of society. I say 'law' and not 'rule' because it's as invariable as the law of gravity. If you violate it, you'll create friction, often in the form of confrontational situations such as this.
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12-09-2008 09:03
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Don't accede to that temptation please!

Pep (According to Yosef that would double my friends and I would hate him to get jealous again!)
Don't worry.. It's my smarter half that says "no". =^-^=
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12-09-2008 09:03
From: Kidd Krasner
I'm not blaming you for pointing out anything. I'm blaming you for being disingenuous. If you understand multiple cultures, then complaining that it doesn't apply to your culture is irrelevant to the appropriateness of the example. And you understand that too.
That was merely the first and most obvious problem with your argument, and it suggested that you were starting from a place that was too precarious for me to bother with further analysis.

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12-09-2008 09:04
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Don't worry.. It's my smarter half that says "no". =^-^=
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12-09-2008 09:05
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
I wonder... Would it have been the same if it were a RLV collar, set to open, the OP found the "Remove clothing" options, and decided to have a bit of fun? (^_^)y


You mean that's wrong?
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