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Love Hastings
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12-09-2008 09:07
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
The real cheat is that the bloody thing announces who changed the title. That destroys the whole sense of evil involved! (>_<;)

It should be re-scripted to NOT repeat, log, whisper, say, shout, or even acknowledge the name of the person that changes the title. That way the wearer can simply suck it up, accept their fate for being a dufus, and people won't get banhammered for playing a game where butthurt wearers change the rules as things go along. (=_=)y


I'm suddenly very tempted to make this...
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12-09-2008 09:08
From: Cristalle Karami
The rules are, change the title to whatever you want.
And take the consequences.

There's no difference between "saying something" through the Evil Titler and saying it through open chat.

And if you're the type of person who finds the idea of apologizing for inadvertently hurting someone's feelings offensive, then you're likely to suffer negative consequences than if you're not. The OP suffered negative consequences. That's life.
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Cristalle Karami
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12-09-2008 09:08
From: Kidd Krasner
Um, yeah, it is "read the person's mind [metaphorically] and know their sensitivities ...." That's a basic law of society. I say 'law' and not 'rule' because it's as invariable as the law of gravity. If you violate it, you'll create friction, often in the form of confrontational situations such as this.

Oh please. In this case the law doesn't apply because of the rules of the game. The person wearing the titler needs to take it off and stop playing. It's not the Sunshine and Rainbows Titler. It's not the Warmy Fuzzies and Bunnies Titler. They acceded to the rule of a game, and if they don't like it, they should get out. Then the normal laws apply.
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Love Hastings
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12-09-2008 09:10
From: Kyllie Wylie
Except as far as I know there is not a "evil titler" available that is RLV enabled. There are RLV titlers yes, but they are strictly controlled by your master/mistress and dont have public access or make hourly announcements.


There is an RLV command to disallow detaching objects, which would do it.

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I have also never heard of a RLV viewer that dosn't let you "download another version"...
I've used both the Marine and cool viewer version and never had any difficulty DL the lastest release candidate which is what I use in normal play because it automaticly installs in its own directory..as a switch I only use RLV when im subbing in a scene.


If you have a trusted RL friend who's game, you can give them admin rights (to install software) to your computer and take them away from yourself.
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12-09-2008 09:12
From: Cristalle Karami
The rules are, change the title to whatever you want.

That's it. It's not "read the person's mind and know their sensitivities, and don't hurt their widdle feelings."


The rules are, don't be an asshat.
That's it. It's not "the fact that I can change it to anything means that I don't have to care what the effect on others is."

What it all boils down to are the motivations of the person putting text in the title.
Did they expect that the wearer would find it funny?
If they did, then there was a misunderstanding, and an admission of that is pretty much an apology.
If they thought it would annoy the wearer, then they were behaving badly - particularly so if they were simply a J Random Passerby.
LittleMe Jewell
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12-09-2008 09:14
From: Kidd Krasner
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If someone wears a shirt on St. Patrick's Day saying "Kiss me, I'm Irish", that is not an invitation for anyone on the street to grab that person and give him or her a kiss. It is an invitation for friends to give a kiss, but only if the friend knows the person well enough to know that it would be appropriate. It might even be an invitation for a total stranger to ask permission for a kiss.
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Hmmm - I wonder if that is why that guy and his wife got upset with me at the last St. Patty day parade.
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12-09-2008 09:15
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12-09-2008 09:16
From: Sling Trebuchet
The rules are, don't be an asshat.
That's it. It's not "the fact that I can change it to anything means that I don't have to care what the effect on others is."

What it all boils down to are the motivations of the person putting text in the title.
Did they expect that the wearer would find it funny?
If they did, then there was a misunderstanding, and an admission of that is pretty much an apology.
If they thought it would annoy the wearer, then they were behaving badly - particularly so if they were simply a J Random Passerby.
The person wearing the Evil Titler is the asshat and deserves everything they get.

Pep ("He started it";)
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Cristalle Karami
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12-09-2008 09:17
From: Argent Stonecutter
And take the consequences.

There's no difference between "saying something" through the Evil Titler and saying it through open chat.

And if you're the type of person who finds the idea of apologizing for inadvertently hurting someone's feelings offensive, then you're likely to suffer negative consequences than if you're not. The OP suffered negative consequences. That's life.



There is a big difference. Playing a game is different from casual conversation. The Evil Titler is a 20m radius game that invites people to make the wearer the butt of some kind of joke. They don't get to choose the jokes that they are the butt of, and should not complain when one they don't like surfaces.

If the OP made such a joke about her for all to hear, uninvited, or in a casual conversation that was completely unrelated to the situation, it would be different. And the OP would probably have apologized.

I don't find the concept offensive. And I don't care that the OP got banned, it was the landowner's right. But I don't believe we should coddle childish people who can't play by their own rules.
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12-09-2008 09:17
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Don't accede to that temptation please!

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Cristalle Karami
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12-09-2008 09:18
From: Sling Trebuchet
The rules are, don't be an asshat.
That's it. It's not "the fact that I can change it to anything means that I don't have to care what the effect on others is."

What it all boils down to are the motivations of the person putting text in the title.
Did they expect that the wearer would find it funny?
If they did, then there was a misunderstanding, and an admission of that is pretty much an apology.
If they thought it would annoy the wearer, then they were behaving badly - particularly so if they were simply a J Random Passerby.

The game basically invites you to be an asshat. If you don't like it, don't play.
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Kelli May
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12-09-2008 09:19
From: Love Hastings
There is an RLV command to disallow detaching objects, which would do it.

I thought so too, until I checked the API. You can only keep an item from being detached if it contains RLV script itself. From the API...

"* Render an object detachable/nondetachable : "@detach=<y/n>"

Implemented in v1.0a When called with the "n" option, the object sending this message (which must be an attachment) will be made nondetachable. It can be detached again when the "y" option is called."

Clothing can be made non-removable, but non-RLV attachments can't.
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Love Hastings
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12-09-2008 09:26
From: Kelli May
I thought so too, until I checked the API. You can only keep an item from being detached if it contains RLV script itself. From the API...

"* Render an object detachable/nondetachable : "@detach=<y/n>"

Implemented in v1.0a When called with the "n" option, the object sending this message (which must be an attachment) will be made nondetachable. It can be detached again when the "y" option is called."

Clothing can be made non-removable, but non-RLV attachments can't.


So it is. Huh. I wonder why that's missing.

A transparent HUD overlay along with disabling the inventory window would do it. But yes, now that's reaching a bit.

No detach is something else to add to the "Eviler Titler" :)
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12-09-2008 09:26
From: LittleMe Jewell
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Kelli May
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12-09-2008 09:27
From: Love Hastings
So it is. Huh. I wonder why that's missing.

When I checked, I thought it was pretty odd.
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Love Hastings
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12-09-2008 09:34
From: Pserendipity Daniels
As Love will confirm, I don't mess inworld with any D/s people.


As I have never met you in-world (that I know of, man of 6 alts), I cannot confirm that.
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12-09-2008 09:38
From: Cristalle Karami
There is a big difference. Playing a game is different from casual conversation. The Evil Titler is a 20m radius game that invites people to make the wearer the butt of some kind of joke. They don't get to choose the jokes that they are the butt of, and should not complain when one they don't like surfaces.

Perhaps you're familiar with an Evil Titler that's different from the one I've seen. The one I've seen doesn't say anything about it being a game, nor does it say to make the wearer the butt of a joke. It only says that anyone other than the wearer can set the title, that it will stay that way until the next timer event, and that the wearer can't change the title.

Where did you get the idea that you were supposed to use it to make a joke at the wearer's expense?
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12-09-2008 09:42
From: Kidd Krasner
Perhaps you're familiar with an Evil Titler that's different from the one I've seen. The one I've seen doesn't say anything about it being a game, nor does it say to make the wearer the butt of a joke. It only says that anyone other than the wearer can set the title, that it will stay that way until the next timer event, and that the wearer can't change the title.

Where did you get the idea that you were supposed to use it to make a joke at the wearer's expense?
Oh, let's reconnect to reality. What is it, if not a game? As for the joke, I take it as being implied from the fact that it is, you know, EVIL.
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12-09-2008 09:47
From: Kidd Krasner
...anyone other than the wearer can set the title, that it will stay that way until the next timer event, and that the wearer can't change the title...
...Unconditionally. If there are conditions, add them to the scripted announcement. (=_=)
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12-09-2008 09:50
From: Kidd Krasner
Perhaps you're familiar with an Evil Titler that's different from the one I've seen. The one I've seen doesn't say anything about it being a game, nor does it say to make the wearer the butt of a joke. It only says that anyone other than the wearer can set the title, that it will stay that way until the next timer event, and that the wearer can't change the title.

Where did you get the idea that you were supposed to use it to make a joke at the wearer's expense?



The only ones I have ever seen have been worn by "slave girls", escorts, and others who were made to wear it in order to be degraded. Most of the titles I have seen, I could not write in this PG forum. It has been a long time since I have seen one, but it was pretty obvious that making the wearer the butt of the joke was the whole point of the matter.
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Love Hastings
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12-09-2008 10:03
From: Chris Norse
The only ones I have ever seen have been worn by "slave girls", escorts, and others who were made to wear it in order to be degraded. Most of the titles I have seen, I could not write in this PG forum. It has been a long time since I have seen one, but it was pretty obvious that making the wearer the butt of the joke was the whole point of the matter.


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12-09-2008 10:37
From: Cristalle Karami
Oh, let's reconnect to reality. What is it, if not a game? As for the joke, I take it as being implied from the fact that it is, you know, EVIL.

If you don't know what it is, you shouldn't be guessing that it's a game, and you shouldn't be participating until you find out. The name suggests that some humor is involved, but that's not enough to go on.
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12-09-2008 10:42
From: Kidd Krasner
If you don't know what it is, you shouldn't be guessing that it's a game, and you shouldn't be participating until you find out. The name suggests that some humor is involved, but that's not enough to go on.

Okay, Kidd, whatever. You're the one who is trying to contort the situation to make your point.
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12-09-2008 10:43
From: Kidd Krasner
If you don't know what it is, you shouldn't be guessing that it's a game, and you shouldn't be participating until you find out. The name suggests that some humor is involved, but that's not enough to go on.
The name suggests that evil is involved. (^_^)

Definitions of evil on the Web:

* morally objectionable behavior
* morally bad or wrong; "evil purposes"; "an evil influence"; "evil deeds"
* having the nature of vice
* that which causes harm or destruction or misfortune; "the evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones"- Shakespeare
* malefic: having or exerting a malignant influence; "malevolent stars"; "a malefic force"
* the quality of being morally wrong in principle or practice; "attempts to explain the origin of evil in the world"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

* Evil is a broad term used to indicate a negative moral or ethical judgment, often used to describe intentional acts that are cruel, unjust, or selfish. Evil is usually contrasted with good, which describes intentional acts that are kind, just, or unselfish.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil

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12-09-2008 10:44
Evil titlers == Evil Thread :p
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