Evil titlers

Next time, think of the entertainment value and start one.

Yeah, how dare you deprive us of that?

Sorry, maam, I guess I was a jerk.

You are missing the point I have made several times in several ways during this thread.

I have no problems with the guy getting banned. If you have the power then you need no logical reason nor justification to ban people. Life's not fair, as I keep telling my kids.

But the jerk is the person who asked for something then complained when she got it. Ingrate!

Pep (Old Chinese proverb: Be careful what you wish for; it may come true)

We don't know what the OP put in the text.

We do know that nobody forced the OP to write it.
Well, OK, somebody in RL could have been holding a gun to their head, and looked like they really meant to pull the trigger if the OP didn't type what they were told to type.


It could be like a case of a griefer being 'rightfully confused' by a SL that allows scripting of objects, particle effects, etc.


X: Oh this is going to make everyone laugh, What fun!
Y: That was really offensive. Please apologise.
X: Well if you're not going to laugh at my very funny jokes , you can fcuk yourself.
Y: OK. You're banned then.
X: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Not fair!!


There seems to be a strong suggestion in this thread that if someone can do something, then it's OK to do it.

Equally, there seems to be a strong suggestion in your post that if someone can ban someone, then it's OK to do it. For the record, I agree that the OP would have come across as the better person had they apologised. That doesn't mean they were under any obligation to.

I think 'evil titlers' are a bad idea for most people, because of the way the usual BDSM concepts of limits and consent are bypassed (or at least, implicitly forfeited). It's no good complaining that a title breaks your limits, because J.Random Passerby doesn't have time to ask what they are before sie writes "This slut loves scat" over your head.

Humiliation is considered 'edgeplay' in many BDSM circles: "...forms of BDSM activity are regarded by many as inadvisable and dangerous, and it is nearly universally held that they should not be attempted without proper training, supervision, safety precautions" (wipipedia). Whereas most SL activities are physically safe, humiliation can harm the person behind the avatar.

If you wear an 'evil titler', you are giving up the right to be offended by what someone puts in it. The instructions ought to be very clear what it does, and what you are letting yourself in for.

I think any adult should be able to predict exactly what they are letting themself in for if they allow anyone to put any words they choose over their head. Do people really put these things on not realising that there is a sizeable portion of humanity that finds it's fun in being coarse, cruel or trying to be offensive?

"Equally, there seems to be a strong suggestion in your post that if someone can ban someone, then it's OK to do it."
Not really. The ban appears to have happened after the OP stepped over a line - and was prompted to make amends. The ban was not simply arbitrarily imposed or even a 'shoot on sight' after a perceived offence. It followed an exchange of views of some sort.
It would appear to be a reasonable use of a ban.

If the thing was worn in some RP situation, then the use of the thing by J.Random Passerby would surely be the equivalent of him hopping on a poseball beside someone involved in some scene.


Would J.Random Passerby have been contributing to anything, or would he simply have been acting like an asshole?



"because J.Random Passerby doesn't have time to ask what they are before sie writes "This slut loves scat" over your head. "
A reasonable question to ask is why J.Random Passerby

Given the situation we are discussing, apparently yes.

Yes. The world and SL contain a goodly number of completely moronic individuals.

The question is - should people avoid doing anything that might give a moron the opportunity to behave moronically? Where does that lead us to? A life constrained by the activities of J Random Moron.

If I were to wear on of those things and someone put something "coarse, cruel or trying to be offensive" there, I'd just detach. I would talk to the perp just in case there was a chance of them getting a clue. If the perp was clue-resistant, and certainly if there was a repeat, I'd see a ban as being applicable as would be for any other griefer.


What we have in this thread is the (possible) moron complaining that their (possibly moronic) actions and refusal to make amends resulted in a ban.
We don't see the titler wearer complaining here.

I just put "ooh look at me I'm a drama whore" in them... Keep meaning to make a scripted attachment that spams the channels they use...and name it reality fairy. Got to try and see if it used the item name or the owner's name..

But if you wear the title, then you are giving consent to anything posted as a title.

To complain about it is like saying "Hey say what ever you want to or about me" and then complaining because they did so.

The ban to be honest should have been to the drama monkey with the title

A lot of what's happening here is situational. If you're somewhere private, or in a private scene and someone jumps onto a poseball uninvited, yes, they're being an asshole. If you're at the centre of a gangbang pose-set, not so much. We don't know the situation ad we don't know if the OP did this in a public place. I'm addressing the general case of people wearing titlers, then getting snippy when someone takes up their explicit invitation to use them.

Saying that, if it's a private scene, use a private titler.

As to the ban-hammer, it still seems like a heavy-handed way of dealing with an insult the victim invited. We don't now the exact situation though and I'll concede the point that it might have been warranted.

edit: interested to see what you were going to ask at the end of your post where it gets cut off.

I can't recall ever coming across one of those things.

Someone mentioned that they spew messages in open chat??
If so, then they would be almost as annoying as gesture spam and as annoying as repeated WOOOOT!s
In that case I could understand the *urge* to put something in there that might lend a clue.

Personally, I'd be no more inclined to put anything there no more than I'd be inclined to start lecturing the company on the downsides of gesture spam and WOOOTs.


However, we still don't know what the OP put there. We only know that it offended and that a refusal to acknowledge the offence resulted in a ban.

Negative...negative...negative!

Wearing one of these titler things does not automatically mean "abuse me".

Because a person CAN do something doesn't mean they SHOULD do it. Courtesy and respect go a long way in this world or any other. Changing a titler says much more about the person doing the changing, than about the person wearing it.

If the OP gave offense by his action (intended or not) then an apology is in order. The parcel owner is perfectly in their rights to ask OP to apologize or leave. Failing either, banning is appropriate.

It doesn't matter if offense was given verbally, textually, via titler, notecard, poofer, or gesture.

Yep it's usually "Dramalover's evil title is ready to be changed, set it by typing in /#. They will not be able to change it and will have to keep it for # minutes!" or the like

So it's an open invite to anyone within chat range to set it. And it shows on the wear's side as well... so they know it's an open invite.

More like...

Y: Do something evil to me! XD
X: Does something evil to you. XD
Y: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I'm butthurt! Not fair!!
Z: X: You made Y butthurt! Get out!

(=_=)y

What *do* you think it means then? What other point is there in wearing such a thing?

Pep ("Only put compliments in my title please"?)

Absolutely - I think I said much the same thing earlier.

Pep (Masochist: "Hurt me please!" Sadist: "No!"

Wearing the title means you accept that you will be abused if someone decides to do it.

If they don't want to accept that, then they shouldn't wear it.

Common sense, you don't tell everyone around you type in a new title for me! And then get upset because someone does put something in there that you don't like.

By wearing the title and spamming local chat with the change me message they are telling everyone it's okay to put what ever they want in there.

Pep...take the whole post in context.

Respect. At the point one's action offends...the one owes an apology. Period.

If the title change was considered appropriate (even if embarrassing, crude, or other...) then there wouldn't be drama.

The drama is OP offended the wearer, and others around, refused to apologize, and got bent when kicked out, so came to the forums to whine about it.

I reiterate that it is called an EVIL TITLER. If you can't take the evil, don't wear the titler! And save the rest of us the f***ing spam. 'nuff said.

Apparently there is still a line that can be crossed.

Common sense, if you say or do something even in jest, and others are offended...you apologize.

Common sense is that if you have a line and you wear such a thing in public, you need to take it off. Don't lure people into playing with your title if you can't handle it.

It's an open invite to put something there.
It is not a licence for anybody to put whatever coarse, offensive, crude, insulting drivel that their sick brain comes up with.
The person putting something there is still subject to the bounds of common decency.

Evil knows nothing about this "decency" thing you speak of. (^_^)y