Are some people really so stupid as to expect privacy in SL?

Well they can be turned off in the new viewer which avoids the eyesore issue and they therefore aren't much worse than security orbs with the exception that banlines only cause an issue upto a certain height whereas security orbs can cause an issue far higher.

Well, maybe we are getting hung up on semantics again. Agreed that it is much harder to ADMIRE someone who is stupid (but not impossible: I value general "niceness" highly), but I would always accord them the respect that I feel they deserve as fellow humans -- at least until such time as they prove that they don't merit it.


No, I'm just not going there ...

I "try" to ride my horse through everything. 512's on mainland, as well....otherwise, there would be no exploration.

I spent the first few months exploring every single meter, that I had time to. Very rarely did anyone ever get nasty from it.....and quite the contrary....learned a ton of things, and met a ton of really interesting people with very interesting lifestyles.

If I had not been able to do that....I would not have stayed in SL. I would never have known about all the amazing things that were out there.

So is this the week's official Friday thread?



What about teleporting? It's what I used, soon as I found out about it. And there are lots of public places one can explore without any issue.

I had a blast riding a horse (and sometimes flying it, when the land just seemed tooo big) around Zindra before it opened. (Pix on my flickr page. haha) But I wouldn't expect to ride it through someone's front yard, in first or in second life.

Now that I've been in SL a bit and gotten used to it and feel a bit of a thicker skin I now went the other way and - no ban lines, no orbs (lol should I really say that openly) and I even made a 512 into a rest stop/rez zone for a roadway.

It's the 'expectation' part I'm hung up on in your post; I agree that it sounds like a nice way to get around SL (I like SL horse riding too, have never ridden in RL) and sounds fun.

Ban lines don't mean someone is 'nasty' though, not sure if that's what you meant by encounering nastiness.

That!

When I'm at home, I often ask someone that is obviously interested in my house would they like a tour. If I'm not there and I received a notecard or im asking would I be willing to show them my home at my convenience, I certainly would.

To me, one that is camming is being overly curious and down right sneaky. I ain't that nosey about what is going on in someone's house or sim. But to each is own, but why should I have to pay the price for THEIR morbid curiosity. For the record, I don't have ban lines up anymore.

I think some call "respect" what others consider "courtesy and consideration". There is a difference, for me at least.

I can respect someone that I don't admire, and vice versa.

Pep (But neither attitude is theirs by right)

You can turn banlines off now so they aren't much different to security orbs at all other than the areas they cover. Security orbs can be configured to only cover a certain area too and probably offer more flexibility but one that by default goes up hundreds of metres will cause more problems for someone flying than banlines.

Security orbs also have a habit of being set to TP people home if they don't leave, banlines don't do that but the purpose of both is pretty much the same and now that the visibility of banlines can be toggled the arguments in favour of security orbs are lessened.

Yes.

I like "consideration" a lot. Maybe "respect" is simply too nebulous a word to be very useful in this context.

Ban lines were the bain of my life here for six months.Not because of the ban but the flashing lights drove me mad.Now you can switch them off I don't care a fig.

Agreed. Absolutely.

Yes, but . . . to employ Brenda's term, you WOULD agree that everyone is deserving of some "consideration"? Until, again, they cease to deserve it, at least?

*shrugs* Not hiding anything. Feel free to come and watch me all you want.

*ponders* Okay.. I guess I am hiding something. It's called my dark side. When I'm actually in the creative "zen" mode, I tend to get a bit.. short with people who hinder the process, be it either intentionally or not. Rather than having to stop, leave the "zone," and politely (or try to be) explain to people that they really need to stay behind the "curtain," it became easier to use the ban lines.

Now this doesn't cover IM's or just chatting. I can actually do both without interrupting the flow, because they don't require me to adjust my camera or movement of the avatar. I'm always open to chatting. Heck, I've been known to let down the lines so someone willing to learn to build could come in.

/me nods. Consideration is a nice word. I like courtesy and compassion too.

I actually think the opposite, at least to me. It has a very clear definition for me, just as admiration does. And Pep is right, both those things are something to be earned in my view. Everyone deserves courtesy and consideration until they prove otherwise, but my respect and /or admiration is something they have to prove worthy of.

You are right, that we are pretty much on the same page conceptually, and are hung up on semantics.

I have to go lie down now.....I've agreed with Pep way too much today.

Compassion! Another excellent word!

I am compiling a Glossographia Pepana Nova, to be made available to the terminally short-tempered.

Consideration is much too loose a word to apply here.

Pep (I give consideration to whether or not I kick a cat off a chair I want to sit in.)

ETA Compassion is something you give to those who are definitely in a worse state than yourself. - almost the opposite of respect.

PS Since you seem to be into 'c' words why not try 'contempt' out for size.

QFT.

Compassion is co passion or sharing suffering. It isn't pity, Pep.

Thank you. You beat me to the punch. The same can be said for sympathy, I think. And certainly for empathy, both of which I am also adding to my glossographia.

Contempt has its place. But that DEFINITELY needs to be earned.

Lol your glossary will be interesting reading.

Compassion, Sympathy and even Contempt are all good words, but again, they are only given on an as needed basis.

Consideration, respect, courtesy, understanding, thoughtfulness...

If nothing else, simply "tolerance". You don't have to have any feelings whatsoever toward others, but simply tolerate the fact that they may have feelings.

Some people view SL as purely fake and just a place to chat, for others it't deeper and a way to become something you cannot in RL. No viewpoint is "wrong", and to each his/her own, but understand that feelings may be involved and if nothing else at least tolerate that.

I take a wee bit of offense having the "is this Friday" above my name. I'm sure you didn't mean it that way.

I explored public places....but the Intrigue was "how do people live here." It was also much more intriguing to see how people built their places....they were all so different. I thought that people "wanted" others to see their creations, and I'm not convinced yet, that they don't. And the very most Intriguing part was to have someone walk down from their front steps, and invite me for a tour. That was The Norm, not the exception.

I guess you're reading "expectation" because for the first year....I thought that SL was all about exploration and meeting all different kinds of people, and it appeared that everything was focused in that direction. I thought that was the intent of the venue. The only thing that changed that, was reading and participating in this forum. Nothing inworld has ever changed that perception for me....just this forum.

Riding my horse is just as an important part of the experience for me, as your privacy issue is with you, I would suppose. So you are suggesting that I stop riding the horse to accommodate those with privacy issues?

Oh don't go there, or we will get onto the "tolerance vs acceptance" track.

Also, one doesn't necessarily consider SL "fake" if they are here merely for chat. Many of the "realists" in SL are simply here to use it as a 3D chat room.