Are some people really so stupid as to expect privacy in SL?

Oh God, you really WERE my teacher. He said that too. Or something similar. Then he would tell us about Wales. And when he was a kid in 1950s and 60s. It always snowed.

No . . .

Pep ( . . . but I think I was in college with him. )

Yeah, I think people were defining respect differently. But my bet is Pep would be the English, okay British, gentleman on the outside to all he met.

My outlook is I respect all but I do not admire all, but my definition of admire might be close to Pep's definition of respect. Just guesstimating.

Oh and P.S. thanks for not mentioning my grammatical error back there, Pep; I sometimes transpose words lately. :/

I have to agree with Pep on this. Anyone I meet will receive politeness and consideration on contact. But whether they have my "respect" is another matter. There were only two people in the world whose respect was automatic. My parents. Everyone else has to earn it.

My workshop space is very high in the sky, and in a no fly zone, and since its on my home property with has all TPs routed to ground - there's no real ability for someone to get in the way of what I'm up to when I go up there.
- griefing things they could do, they could still do if I had ban lines - and at that point they beyond an accidental trespasser and into the realm of someone who just needs a specific ban, mute, and AR (which I have never actually had to do).

Clarissa, this is exactly right. It is very MUCH about the "feeling." As is nearly everything in SL, given that it is really all a pixelated illusion.

However unreal everything here is, the emotional impact of what happens in SL is still very very tangible. Were this not so, frankly, there wouldn't be much reason to be here.

Sounds to me like the OP didn't get his way so he decided to be an ass... Still didn't get his way so came here to be an ass.

The definition of stupid:



It appears to me the OP is the one being stupid being he could not seem to get the point the person didn't want to be bothered yet did anyway.

Oh and what Melody McBride said....

And to this:


Come on, mature people know and understand the difference between right and wrong. If you are so interested in what is there then heaven forbid you should ask the person to let you see.... Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

I agree.

An excellent distinction. I will certainly agree that my admiration is earned. But respect, for me, constitutes neither more nor less than my acknowledgment that I am dealing with another human being who possesses awareness and feelings.

This is why I think courtesy or politeness is so fundamental: it is an expression of that acknowledgment, even if being courteous is also saying something about "me."

When someone walks through a door that I am holding open for them without so much as a word of thanks or a nod, I feel slighted because they have not merely failed to acknowledge my courtesy, but even my basic humanity. They are treating me as nothing more than an automatic door opener. When I see someone who fails to say "thank you" to a store clerk who has helped them, it's the same thing: they are treating that person like they were a vending machine.

Maybe I'm a fuddy duddy, but I won't even Cam into someone's private home, even if they aren't there. I won't go into an obviously private residence either unless invited to do so. It just doesn't seem right to me. I did it a couple of times in the early days, at places where I thought were businesses due to out of date landmarks, but once I realized, I left a note for the owner, complimenting them on their place, that I had arrived by accident, and left the premises.

Well, since HE went to Oxford and YOU went to Cambridge I think I am safe BUT you are HIS age if you are telling truth about being 55. So maybe you kicked him in the balls when you played rugger against him - or he kicked you.

My French teacher (who is lovely man and I still know him) is 66 and went to Oxford too but he is from London. Wont say name of HIS college either.

"If wishes were horses, beggars would ride." as my Grandmother would say.

OK....I just don't see how one can feel "unsafe" in this venue. I could expand on that....but the explanation would hurt the feelings of some people....just as Del's camming hit a nerve.

I don't understand wanting to feel isolated in a world that seems to be designed to promote the opposite....but can respect that, so if someone wants that feeling, probably a simple note on their property description such as Private Residence (which I have on my property - but for other reasons) - would indicate that perhaps you should walk along the beach rather than going in the front door.....and also consider that you are making those of us who came here to explore, totally drop our adventure in mid-step, particularly if we are in a boat or on a horse.

It works both ways.

Seriously, all I need the lines for is to keep people from getting between my camera and what I'm building. Usually, all I have to deal with is someone who thinks it is funny to sit on my project while I'm working. Plus, I'm not all that worried if someone is watching me. They're mostly going to see me standing on a pose stand the the occasional prim appearing, moving, etc.

Your way sounds great for a bigger plot. But in this case, having a single 512m of land set to no fly just seems a bit more rude than the ban lines. At least to me, it does. Also doesn't help that I'm more inclined to want to monitor my shop for griefing when I'm online working.. so having my workshop on level with my shop seemed like a good idea.

I have met a ton of cool people this way!

Perhaps what you define as curiosity, some may feel it as being down right nosey and intrusive.



Why is the first perception that someone has to be "hiding" something. So if I had ban lines around what is obviously my private home, you would just start camming and clicking on things? Not cool

Mickey: Same way they can 'feel' unsafe in any context.

Some people's skins are thinner than others'. Some people's cocoons are larger than others'.

Not all ban lines are in areas that a horse or boat would go through, and many are on tiny 512 lots. Mine was. All that was around it were other small 512s. No one rode horses through. But, to be honest, I don't think one should expect to wander aimlessly through unknown lots anyway. Just as one wouldn't walk through neighbors' yards in real life unless there were some outstanding reason.

(Somewhere at the crux of this is a distinction between introvert and extrovert, too, I suspect. Sometimes extroverts, who welcome company at any time, have a difficult time understanding those who often do not want company at all.)

Ah, there's the rub.

Pep (Add a critical level of intelligence to awareness and feelings, otherwise you might as well respect a bug.)

Ban lines are not necessary to achieve privacy! In fact IMO they are an eyesore and should be removed from the SL features. If you ever get tired of the chaos and want to live somewhere beautiful, let me know, I have 60 sims worth of banline free land with many nice coastal plots available. Solace Beach Estates is proud to be banline free.

My personal home is located adjacent to an orientation sim and sandbox. I probably get about 10 people a day, minimum, trespassing on my parcel. Like the rest of my residents, I don't have ban lines up. My security orb takes care of them just fine. It gives them 15 sec. warning, and ejects them if they don't comply. None of them ever make it inside the house.

I'm not into anything "adult" in SL, but my home is the place I log in to, where my av sits while I deal with IMs, and the place I go when I don't want constant questions and conversation from strangers. So yes, I feel there is a right to privacy in SL, but there is also a right to peacefully pass through a parcel, and to not be trapped in one's own parcel by someone else's banlines or have to look at them.

YOU may want to know why, but not everyone is as nosy, suspiscious and inconsiderate as some.

Why are so many peopl hung up on what someone is "hiding" in SL? Are you that bored that your small minds need the exercise? I just don't get it. I don't like ban lines either. But when I encounte them, I just move on. It's a big grid. I just don't get it.

Oh. So, it's okay to be rude to people who aren't very bright? Really? Yikes.

Thank you.

No, it's not OK to be rude (unless in retaliation ) but there is no need to *respect* people who aren't very bright.

Pep (What is the point of being rude to those who don't realise it? qv 3Ring.)

Stalk much? Sheesh.

60 sims? Wow. (nice plug. hee)



In 15 seconds they might not even see the warning in time. Most newbies do not know to look up to the top right corner for announcements, yet. Those things give me heart palpitations and I've been in SL actively for over a year. But, it's your land and you can do what you want on it, within TOS.

I don't understand the difference between a ban line and a security orb in actuality, other than perhaps the visual. But an orb isn't there until you step on the wrong lot and then, gotcha! is what it feels like to me.

Maybe if ban lines weren't so...red, they wouldn't bother people as much?