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Raudf Fox
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08-07-2009 13:31
How do you manage to have a shop and banlines in the same parcel? Or do you have a second parcel to the side, as I do (which allows me to put my workspace to the same height as my cafe or my (under construction) shop). The shop is a separate parcel that meets on the opening side of my workshop. I didn't want my work time counting on my shop's traffic. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't no fly allow you to fly through, but if you stop on the plot, you're stuck walking? _____________________
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Brenda Connolly
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08-07-2009 13:33
NO, I do not claim to have set out to start a "Friday Thread" and do not consider I got spanked. My question has been answered and I appreciate the opinions of those that have contributed. It is the other posters who have digressed off the topic who have turned this into a “Friday Thread” and I am pleased to see that I have inadvertently triggered a debate. Considering your chosen title, and the general tone of the first post, I think a debate was never going to be inadvertent. _____________________
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Raudf Fox
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08-07-2009 13:37
Considering your chosen title, and the general tone of the first post, I think a debate was never going to be inadvertent. Given the search function of Google and heck even this forum, it can't have been accidental. There's entirely too much history about this topic for even a blind, directionally confused bat to miss. Not that it really matters.. next month, there will be another thread on this topic  _____________________
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Mickey Vandeverre
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08-07-2009 13:43
I wish you'd stop painting us as loonies, Mickey. . Wrong. What puzzles me is that you see trespassing as a right, . Wrong. I know you see it all as virtual and not connected to real feelings ....... Very very WRONG....and I get really ticked when someone says that those of us who are able to separate Reality from a Virtual World are not aware of people's real feelings. I don't know why you think I am paranoid, though. . Wrong. |
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Clarissa Lowell
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08-07-2009 13:44
I did the best I could on that explanation. I reworded it about 5 times before hitting "submit." I know. The irony is you 'feel' very strongly about the situation. We're both struggling to explain ourselves to the other and to understand the other's point of view better. I didn't take offense at your post Mickey fwiw, I just wanted to clarify since I seem to be coming across completely differently than the truth. _____________________
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Clarissa Lowell
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08-07-2009 13:45
Wrong. Wrong. Very very WRONG....and I get really ticked when someone says that those of us who are able to separate Reality from a Virtual World are not aware of people's real feelings. Wrong. Well I typed that last post before I read this. :/ I can certainly separate reality from virtual reality. I also never said you were unaware of feelings but you seem to be misinterpreting a wish to experience SL in another way than your own, with being a "victim" and thinking people are "out to get them". I didn't put those words in your mouth, but if you meant them some other way: then I've misunderstood and I do apologise. I think I will just stop the exchange, at least in this thread, here. Diminishing returns, and all that. _____________________
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sable Valentine
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08-07-2009 13:59
OK - Sable and Clarissa....I tried wording a response to you, but it kept coming out wrong. It came out wrong, just as this response came out wrong to me: I had no idea that my exploration (or others' exploration) of SL had that effect on people. Wow is all I can say. And I'm sorry. I wish you could understand that people who explore are not all out to get you. Mickey, my friend I seriously doubt your explorations would bother me. I believe most are like yourself. I do enjoy horseback riding and love to explore. I don't mind someone my land, the problem is my house. Its the noobheads for some reason want to take it to a whole different level. The clicking on poseballs part struck such a chord with me. Because of comments from the forum, I have removed ban lines. I have extended the notification time on my security orb to 30 seconds I don't even have ban lines or an orb on my other mainland property. If I have demostrated the willingness to meet folks half way, respect their desire to explore and so on. Then why is it so hard for some (not you Mickey for sure) to meet people like me half way. However, someone can cam all they want inside my house. But don't go in it and certainly don't click the poseballs in my house. _____________________
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Tegg Bode
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08-07-2009 14:02
Tey are just idiots, there was a crazy who owned a small mall in the last sim I was at, I ended up owning an L shapped bit of land in one corner surrounding a vacant plot of his, for 3 years he has had ban lines up on a vacan 4096 only used for primage and refused to drop them so when 8000m of land came up for sale surrounding his mall I offered to buy that and then swap hip any amount of that land for his 4096. He flat out refused and said I would never get the land in the corner at any price. So I didn't buy the land around him and it got carved up and he was surrounded by adfarmers
 I knew then I wasn't going to share a sim with this clown so sold my land and moved on. _____________________
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Yssario Braess
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08-07-2009 14:10
Just to prove that I'm an asshole I cammed into her house and wrote on her black-board and sent her another im complimenting her on some of the pictures she has around her house. I have not had a reply but the ban lines are still up. Fixed. |
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Del Wellman
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08-07-2009 14:16
Fixed. Very clever first post Yssario, hope to see more of them _____________________
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Yssario Braess
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08-07-2009 14:19
Anyone I meet will receive politeness and consideration on contact. But whether they have my "respect" is another matter. There were only two people in the world whose respect was automatic. My parents. Everyone else has to earn it. "politeness and consideration on contact" How is that different than than showing respect? |
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Yssario Braess
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08-07-2009 14:22
I won't even Cam into someone's private home, even if they aren't there. I won't go into an obviously private residence either unless invited to do so. It just doesn't seem right to me. I did it a couple of times in the early days, at places where I thought were businesses due to out of date landmarks, but once I realized, I left a note for the owner, complimenting them on their place, that I had arrived by accident, and left the premises. This would be "showing respect for them", yes? |
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Brenda Connolly
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08-07-2009 14:24
This would be "showing respect for them", yes? No. Just being considerate and polite. _____________________
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Kokoro Fasching
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08-07-2009 14:25
I had no idea that my exploration (or others' exploration) of SL had that effect on people. Wow is all I can say. And I'm sorry. I wish you could understand that people who explore are not all out to get you. Only if you can understand that there are those who explore that are out to get someone. They delight in messing with people's heads. And they will use anything they can to further that along. And just because it is your perception that nothing in SL can hurt you, does not mean that is everyone's perception. Does not make your perception less valid for you, but your perception is not automatically correct for anyone else. |
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Yssario Braess
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08-07-2009 14:26
No, it's not OK to be rude (unless in retaliation  ) but there is no need to *respect* people who aren't very bright.Bullshit. Level of intelligence of any particular person makes NO difference as to whether or not they deserve the respect that any one person owes any other. |
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Brenda Connolly
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08-07-2009 14:27
"politeness and consideration on contact" How is that different than than showing respect? For me, respect, is an elevated concept. It signifies someone's opinions or achievements are highle valued by me, beyond everyone else. Or they are an authirity figure, who I may be more liable to take direction from, things like that. _____________________
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Yssario Braess
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08-07-2009 14:27
No. Just being considerate and polite. This is known as "Having respect for others". |
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Yssario Braess
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08-07-2009 14:29
Very clever first post Yssario, hope to see more of them Take a number and wait your turn. |
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Brenda Connolly
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08-07-2009 14:30
This is known as "Having respect for others". Some call it that, yes. I don't. _____________________
Don't you ever try to look behind my eyes. You don't want to know what they have seen.
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Yssario Braess
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08-07-2009 14:31
So is this the week's official Friday thread? Yes |
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Yssario Braess
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08-07-2009 14:33
I can respect someone that I don't admire, and vice versa. Pep (But neither attitude is theirs by right) You are wrong. |
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Mickey Vandeverre
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08-07-2009 14:34
Mickey, my friend I seriously doubt your explorations would bother me. I believe most are like yourself. I do enjoy horseback riding and love to explore. I don't mind someone my land, the problem is my house. Its the noobheads for some reason want to take it to a whole different level. The clicking on poseballs part struck such a chord with me. Because of comments from the forum, I have removed ban lines. I have extended the notification time on my security orb to 30 seconds I don't even have ban lines or an orb on my other mainland property. If I have demostrated the willingness to meet folks half way, respect their desire to explore and so on. Then why is it so hard for some (not you Mickey for sure) to meet people like me half way. However, someone can cam all they want inside my house. But don't go in it and certainly don't click the poseballs in my house. Sable...I'm sure that "most" people will not go inside and use your pose balls....particularly those with a horse attached.  |
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Tod69 Talamasca
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08-07-2009 14:36
I don't expect privacy. But I do hope for courtesy. This! In a world where you can build & script & do almost anything, privacy is a dream. I LOL'd at what was done. I had some newb neighbors with a really annoying short tempered security orb on their land along WITH ban lines. It was quite fun to cam in while they were home, doing their "thing", and start opening & closing doors & stuff. Coitus Interuptus!!! _____________________
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Yssario Braess
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08-07-2009 14:37
I actually think the opposite, at least to me. It has a very clear definition for me, just as admiration does. And Pep is right, both those things are something to be earned in my view. Everyone deserves courtesy and consideration until they prove otherwise, but my respect and /or admiration is something they have to prove worthy of. You are right, that we are pretty much on the same page conceptually, and are hung up on semantics. I have to go lie down now.....I've agreed with Pep way too much today. /me hands you a cold damp towel and a chocolate chip cookie... Everyone deserves the sames courtesy, consideration and *respect* That you might expect from them. Admiration is a different matter altogether. |
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Yssario Braess
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08-07-2009 14:38
This! In a world where you can build & script & do almost anything, privacy is a dream. I LOL'd at what was done. I had some newb neighbors with a really annoying short tempered security orb on their land along WITH ban lines. It was quite fun to cam in while they were home, doing their "thing", and start opening & closing doors & stuff. Coitus Interuptus!!! Another asshole. |