Are some people really so stupid as to expect privacy in SL?

You made someone's day, Sable.

You might get a griefer this month...but a few clicks will get rid of them....what you did for her, will last much longer than taking time for a few clicks.....possibly months.

That's what it's all about.

Note that she was invited in. That's the important distinction here, and why people like me don't want people coming around. The interior of our homes is private, regardless of how anybody else wishes it was otherwise, and should be respected as such. That's what I've been hammering on all along.

If we had not had the orb, that young lady would've already been in our home upon our arrival. If I am home and someone wishes to see my home then I invite them if I am not busy.

I know I'm going to get some flack about my following statement.

IMO it equates to an intruder in my home upon my arrival. I know folks are exploring, but that is how I see it.

The security orb, again IMO is a necessary evil.

I'm not interested in perving at the interior of your homes.

I'm interested in not getting orbited by ban lines when driving down Linden roads or sailing Linden waterways.

I'm interested in not having to negotiate a maze of ban lines around empty parcels to fly from one plot of land I own to another in the same sim. I'm interested in not getting orbited ON MY OWN LAND because of someone's badly written "security" orb. I've negotiated most of these down, over the years, though there's a couple of weird ones left... but some people I visit... it's simply incomprehensible to me what's going on in people's heads.

Restrict your "privacy" measures to places where you might normally need it, I might consider you silly for thinking you have "privacy", but I won't say anything. Put ban lines around four Linden trees and leave your skybox full of Gorean toys wide open, you're just asking to be held up for ridicule.

And most ban lines seem to be set up by the latter breed of user.

Reasonable? Reasonable in a virtual world made for imagination and fun and excitment and whatever . . . .

take your bloody reasonable . . .

*bites your toes*

I hate security orbs. hate them. Ban-lines I can see, sometimes. And orbs? Just the other day I tried to go boating on a water estate. Got kicked, hard, home. Wasn't anything to indicate an orb might be around. Didn't even know orbs were allowed on that multi-sim estate.

Mine doesn't eject them back home, only moves them right outside the parameters.

The people who use ban lines on the ground while doing their naughty in the sky either doesn't understand how ban lines work and might not care to learn or is just silly.

People wanting a bit of privacy isn't being silly. I mean, in RL, I don't want to be around people 24/7. I like to take a break from the "public front" that I put on to keep me from telling the person, "No, the jeans don't make you look fat.. your fat butt makes you look fat."

But in SL, I realize that privacy is an illusion, kind of like it is in RL when you have a family or a roommate. I might not be able to see them when I close my door, but I can hear them. In my room or "private space," I can pretend the world outside doesn't exist, as long as they don't shove themselves in my face. Is that too much to ask from SL too?

Though I'm not really in SL for privacy. Just need the breathing/building room without being up in the air, out of reach of my shop.

Well, the specific problem, or the problem in my specific case, is that all land is owned by the same group that I was a member of, so I couldn't go by land parcel borders. So I didn't know what the parameters were. I kept getting caught by orbs scattered around the place.

Awwwww....man, I am so sorry that happens to you.

I changed my land description to this - based on this thread - and some hammering - so your hammering wasn't a total waste:

"This is my SL Home, but you are welcome to walk about and explore - that's what SL is all about! Please make yourself at home. If I'm at home, say "hi", or if I have company, please honor that, and come back at another time. Have a Great Day! "

That's what I want for SL - I know you don't agree - don't expect you to. But that's my way of trying to counter the security orbs and ban lines and encourage people to get about and explore, and not feel threatened or intimidated or ill at ease in their explorations.

If it keeps someone in SL for another day, if it gives them a feeling of living in a home (that they can't afford)for a few hours, or if it encourages them to go out and get their own land and a home and a pool and some fun stuff - mission accomplished. I don't even care any more if they want to use the bedroom for two hours. If I'm not there - I'll never know. No harm done.

To leave all that stuff sit there for 20 hours a day....and not let someone look at it or benefit from it....doesn't work for me. I know - we're different - and I can't teach you different, and you can't teach me different - that's cool - but never hurts to try.

Mostly, I agree with you and I wish I could be like that, and have that attitude. I did turn off my orb and don't have any banlines. And for those folks you describe, yeah, I DO agree with you. They aren't the problem. The problem is the asshats, like the one who was already on my land, right outside my door when I rezzed in the other night. I don't like being told 'F*ck you, b*atch' when I say 'Hello........' upon log in. And on my land, too, lol. Those are the kind that are a problem. I couldn't care less if she 'stays in SL another day', or another minute for that matter, lol. That's when I want to turn on all the tools available to me to boot her into kingdom come.

Those used to unnerve me, and my heart would race and beat out of my chest, just as it would if face to face with someone like that in RL. Even after turning off the computer - would still be pissed.

Had to modify how I process that - or SL would be a burden and not an enjoyment. I do enjoy playing mind games with them, as they are getting ejected - some kind of wicked hehe's going on, instead of anger - would that make it more fun for you? You're way nicer than I am, though.

This.

And on topic in general (not aimed at anybody!)

I was once at home in a bikini (beach house, I built it) and some guy just walked right in. I walked outside, and he followed. At first, I thought, okay maybe he's new, blabla (because frankly, social pressure in SL seems upon the land owner/renter to be the host, to be always polite, always welcoming, no matter what) or maybe he thought it was harmless, or didn't think to check mini map, and thought no one was home. Okay. Innocent til proven guilty I guess.

But then he did not say hi, and instead went to the hitting on me portion of the evening. At which point, I was out of patience - already had distracted me from what I'd planned, which was, park my av in front of the movie screen, watch an old movie and sort inventory, to wind down until log out. So, I did not reply to that - did not try to argue with him, or say how can you objectify me that way, or why do you presume just because I'm in a bikini *in my own home* I am here to be messed with.

I clicked on his avatar and ejected him.

It would've ended there - I try not to hold grudges - except then he IMed me and whined, "you didn't have to do that. You could've asked me to leave."

I could've. But I didn't. And I shouldn't have to sit there and justify or explain my actions to someone who trespassed and then treated me rudely and talked to me like I was a hooker. So step 2 was to add a ban.

I don't do that to people who show up on visitor lists while I'm gone, but that took it a step past where I was willing to go. I agree with Treasure completely...we don't have to explain ourselves. If someone walks into your house in real (and yes I DO know the difference - or I'd be saying "Help help! How do I get out of this computer world, I"m trapped in here! I've been spinning in blue space for hours and I want to go home!" do you tell them to leave or offer to show them around?

But then in real I'm the type who thinks, call first cos people's houses are not museums and they just might be preoccupied, because, well they live there. I know it's a simulation, but it is one I like, being home alone sometimes - just like others like the simulation of exploring, or flying, etc., etc.

There are a number of things you could have done to cure that in one minute.

Naaawwwww. You say hi to me in IM whenever I pop into your store; and you taught me how to make rugs round. A skill I've used quite a lot since then.

That's all you got out of my post?

It DID take about one minute, Mickey. And I'm happy with the result. As for ejecting him didn't you say a bit ago that you do the same?

I'm not sure why you feel like I am doing something wrong, or (why you hint in past posts, I'm in the 'bad group' in your A/B analogy, too) that I can't tell fantasy from reality simply because I have a differing opinion than your own - But as I said, NONE of my property has a ban line OR an orb on it at this point. None of it.

I also have public lands.

I also have little shacks and huts that in a pinch someone could pretend they 'live' in.

But two buildings, I use as my home, and I appreciate people not just walking in. Thing is the old saying "there is no cure for stupidity" applies in a lot of such cases. I have it right on my land description, which I parcel so it is just the home and a bit of land around it, that "this is a private home. Please respect that. But you may enjoy the outside land as much as you wish."

I think I am more than fair. But bottom line, I could put 20 orbs, a ban line and age verify and account verify and no one under 30 days gets in, on every parcel and I'd be within the rules. LL sees that people approach the game differently. But I'm glad in your last post you posted that people see things differently here and aren't probably going to change each other's minds. What puzzles me is that what I'm actually saying isn't really being seen by some. But oh well.

Nothing personal Mickey, I think it's just an issue people (obviously) feel one way or the other about. I have tried to find a happy medium, though, since my early days with my very first property, very first real home, a 512 with a banline AND an orb on it - which was because my first home, a rental, had been a constant stream of asshat intruders, including peepers while I was trying to change. At the time I spent most all my Lindens on that fairly cheap apartment, and it still left me struggling for a place to change without being harassed. If that makes me seem 'weird' that I don't want someone gawking and griefing me while I am in my own home - so be it.

If you ever want to go to the dark side...when I'm not wearing the business store cap...I'll teach you how to play mind games with the home invasion ejectees. I'll need to send you out for some props, though.

Does that matter? No. She decided she wanted to kick/ban, and that was ENTIRELY her right to do. If that happened to me, I'd just as easily turn on health on the parcel and shoot the person into teleport home oblivion to be honest. And even that would be ENTIRELY WITHIN MY RIGHT to do.
It'd be more polite to say "Could you please go away". But then, starting hitting on a complete stranger as if she's a callgirl (thank god I'm not a chick and never had to deal with that!) in her own home, without even getting to know her and see if she actually IS a callgirl and IS open for business means there was no politeness to start with anyway. So who cares, it's just an idiot who got what he deserved anyway.

If they did not return the "Hi", I would have asked them to leave. No response within 1 minute - eject. There would have been no time to hit on me - no time for me to get agitated. One minute - Done. Forget about it.

One minute of being ignored and either I push them out the door, off the edge of the skybox or start building something around them. Something awful.

A non-matching male anatomy, by any chance? *tries to look innocent and fails*

Me, back before the ban lines, I'd greet them or politely ask them to leave. If they didn't answer after a bit, I'd eject them.

If they decided to ignore me and make themselves at home, I then set the land to damage and ended the problem. Or I'd freeze them and put them in a prim skirt. Guys don't seem to respond well to that.

It takes a little time for this - but best system I ever had was to tell them that I have something in the bedroom to show them. Usually a long walk up there....so the anticipation builds...throws them off their aggressive behavior for a bit.

Slap up one of those locking devices on the wall. Chain them to it. Make a big production out of it. Stand there and watch them...tease a little...build it up. Twist them around so they are facing the wall.

Wisk out a Strap-On and attach it. Nine times out of Ten they will be off that property faster than you can blink, and you'll never see them again.

For the odd one that wants to stick around - have a guy friend come in and play your bf - then you and your bf fight over who gets him first. He'll leave - and you had some fun. Some of those were hilarious - worth a little extra effort.

OK this sounds reasonable, I can go along with that. It's a far cry from "security orbs and ban lines must be removed from Second Life permanently" (not a direct quote, paraphrased) which I've seen a lot of in this thread. That particular attitude is the really stupid one, and yeah, you bet I'm going to fight that one.

I do like some of your other ideas of having fun with the asshats, such as the girlfriend and boyfriend fighting over who gets him first, I've been there and it's loads of fun. All the same 99% of the time I don't want the asshats to even be able to enter my property in the first place.

Incidentally, just to clarify something, I don't believe in banning people from every square inch of my land unless they're proven repeat asshats. Like the property I have right now, I've got a skybox that I put scenery around. Yeah, you ain't getting within 90 meters of the location in that skybox where I put a security orb without a 30 second warning. At the end of which you will be promptly ejected, it doesn't use push. But the bottom part is entirely public. However, this is how I did things when I did have ban lines at ground level in the past (or a security orb). There's a public area where everybody except the previously mentioned repeat asshats, is quite welcome in. Usually a garden that has had some effort made to make it look nice, and a fun place to be. Then there's my home. That will be on a subdivided parcel all to itself, usually extending 5 to 10 meters beyond the wall of the house. This will have the general public banned from it from day one, because nobody belongs in my house uninvited. I think that's a fair and respectable use of ban lines.

Lol, short of being psychic, and ejecting on sight, it couldn't have happened much more quickly, Mickey. And I never said anything about being agitated.

Again, I said, it DID take about a minute (the entire thing.) I never said I waited around a full minute for something to happen. But what's with the artificial time limit, anyway. Some people get rude after being polite for a full minute or even five minutes. Again I'm not seeing the logic there.

No one said anything about a full minute of silence, but if I'd have said that was what happened, I feel sure you would've said I should've waited for the shy thing to speak, or they were new and had trouble with the keyboard (btw he was over a yr. old and not a newbie-av), and how dare I not give them a grand tour. I'm beginning to think whatever I said you will post something the opposite.

See, I'm giving this second chance thing a try Mickey...but try to read my posts a bit closer, before you respond off of what I 'supposedly' said - hm?



Thank you. Exactly.

The reason I did not try to appease and play nice is because that would've been the opposite message I was trying to send. Also to try and sugar coat or explain why I ejected him, when if he could figure that out he probably wouldn't have done or said any of that to start with, seemed counter productive, demeaning and a waste of time. (Did he not know better? Then would a lecture help? And if he did, would a lecture help?)

But most of all, because I wanted to send a crystal clear message, that that is not a way to treat someone, especially on their own land. Flying through the air right afterward seemed pretty clear message. Maybe he will think twice before repeating the behavior. "Please leave, I don't like that" might even get him hot, who knows.

It did tick me off that he saw fit to IM, and tell me what I 'should've' or 'could've' done, which is what got him the mute and ban on top of the eject button. If I didn't talk down to him by lecturing him on HIS behavior, what was he doing lecturing me on my response.

I thought it would be a clear example of the types of things that happen without any security on, at least someone got it, thanks Marcush.