Are some people really so stupid as to expect privacy in SL?

On SL, I can have all the privacy I want. It's no illusion. I have a way to guarantee that no one sees anything they don't want.
It's called a private island.

Does anyone really have a problem with me closing off my island for my own use?

If not, what's the difference?

That's exactly what we were getting at..You have to pay if you want real privacy..

A private island all to yourself is about the only place you will get it.

Your private island isn't next to my bayou, and it doesn't create an invisible anti-aircraft box that throws me offline when I misjudge my glide path into my own meadow.

like a big bowl of mouldy pudding.

Don't forget the Big Brother. He can see everything; your private island, your chat-logs, your IMs, your inventory, your IP-address, your creditcard or PP actions, your real name, your...

LL employees must have fun sometimes.

Comical, how people are upset about some random traveller - who after all can't get to know anything - and think that they can have some own property and privacy in SL, when they actually own nothing and there really isn't any privacy, since the BB - sorry LL - owns everything and - if likes - knows nearly everything...

(Sorry the possible - probable - mistakes, I'm just one random ESL.)

Well thanks...Harris.

Don't worry, I won't get too used to the compliment.

Someone brought up purple crystals. What the heck are those things, anyway? Are they ALL ads for casinos - I thought casinos and microparcel ads were both banned.

There's a big spinny sign advertising something or other near one of my parcels - I've IMed the land owner since once I clicked on the random junk on that lot it seemed none of it was the landowner's. I'm guessing they haven't been in SL for some time and left auto return at 0. Still, a real shame, that random junk is littering other people's properties.

Wish there was something we could all do about *that.* Not only are the squatters breaking rules but doing it on someone else's land, or on microparcels of 16m, which I thought was against tos as well. I guess the Lindens can't keep up with all the junk that goes on, after all millions of users and how many Lindens?



Threads meander, Del. It's what they do.

But didn't you say there were 7 objects on the land? That's enough for a skybox and sex bed. I'm just sayin'.



Nothing wrong in having a second language. *We all do.*

file a support request. Lindens WILL come and clean up something like that.

Really??

Done!

(Sorry Lindens in advance, for adding one more thing to your workload.)

Now if there were only a JIRA about not allowing flashing/spinning lights outdoors. Some of us really hate that...(or, our wiring does.)

Or, in other words, "it doesn't create an invisible anti-aircraft box that throws me offline when I go on to property that someone else owns..."

How is it the land owner's fault that you misjudged your glide path?

Are there places in SL where people can drive, boat or fly unimpeded?

Seems like that would address a lot of this. I know it's something many seem to enjoy.

Flying over a parcel a hundred feet above the ground is only trespassing in Chris Norse's fevered imagination.

the middle of the seas/lakes, but the view is pretty monotonous, and it rusts the hell out of the prims in your car...

Just did my first smooth rounds with Moewe. (Extraordinaire great fun by the way, it works perfect) Fortunately I have a so far empty Sim in front, which is cool for starting from my roof-top, but my first start was in the wrongest possible direction, because I thought all space around me were open, because there are no banlines: a small neighbors weekend-home - all windows open, and as near to my homebase that I can see all of their interior etc., even without moving the cam a millimeter -, and they have an "privacy..." ORB which I didn't noticed so far, until I tried to start the glider...

Wow. Avatar landed at home, banned for 180 days from that neighbors parcel (said the stupid ORB), hahaha glider stucked somewhere on another sim where a parcel was full and the glider (without me, logical, since I was beamed home) couldn't enter, so I needed to search the glider (was not delivered into lost and found, maybe because of the ORB thing), and after I was beamed home by that ORB, I couldn't fly my ava, nor move left or right while trying to walk, - a relog was necessary.

In 2 and a half year I didn't hate any neighbors, but: now! Damn!

K, I have a good start position now and 5 fly-friendly sims in front, but with much banlines around me and/or ORB's, I would go crazy too.

I hate banlines and vindictive orbs as much as the next person does, but I also realize that they're perfectly acceptable. Whether I think someone has them up because of a delusion about privacy, plain stupidity, or merely wants to keep people from hanging out in their place doesn't matter one bit.. it's their place, just like my place is mine. I fly my vehicles a lot, and even when I hit banlines or get ousted by an orb I still can't harbor any delusions about rights to free flight over someone elses land. Because that is even more of a delusion than the one about privacy in SL... at least privacy can be had with an island, but there IS NO right to other peoples airspace. They bought it, they pay tier on it, not me. The only time I think it should be acceptable to complain about access rights to ANYthing that you don't personally pay for is if it's over Linden land. The fact that so many people DO let people use their stuff or fly through is very cool, but in no way is that the rule.

/raises hand

But..but..but..don't you first need to some style before having it get cramped. Me thinks you do.

you don't really own your land in RL either..it's just owners rights just like in sl..it can be taken away in the blink of an eye in both places and nothing we could do could stop it..

"Legal" and "acceptable" are not synonyms.
The right to free flight over land has been pretty solidly established in SL, several times when LL did something that infringed on that right they have backed away from it.

Perhaps over "public property" (i.e. Linden Lab owned land), but over privately owned land? Forgive my skepticism that this is an established right. Say that an "acceptable corridor" for flight over land is between 100 meters and 300 meters just for argument's sake, does that mean a landowner cannot put up an orb ejecting hapless avatars who try to fly through that airspace over their land? Have there been solid statements, backed up by action in response to AR's, that such actions are forbidden by landowners?

Only then does it become a "right to free flight" over private land too.

Absolutely.

That's WHY there is a limit to the height of ban lines. That's the ONLY reason there's a limit to the height of ban lines. There have been multiple incidents where ban line height was increased, and it was promptly reduced at the request of fliers.

Even below that height, it's against the ToS to set up ban lines on all sides of someone's property, so if Fred User's land happens to be closed in on three sides by Joe Clubowner then Sam Landowner on the fourth side can't put up ban lines. Fred can AR him and it will be upheld.

It's not an absolute right, just as land rights are not an absolute right. Linden Labs sees no problem in expecting people to steer clear of skyboxes or people setting up security orbs to protect them, but the default is open skies.

Free flight is not trespassing.

So, if I built a ginormous tinkertoy skyscraper, 200 metres tall... are you saying that I shouldn't be allowed to because it impedes your right to fly over my land at that height?

If it's not "trespassing" over a certain height, then surely the rules should change to say that the owner shouldn't be allowed to build there, no?

I mean, your supposition basically says that, beyond a certain height, it's no longer private property, but public, right? Free access and all that.

So skyboxes should be against the rules, too, seeing as they get in the way of people's flight plans.

Not really, as you can see a skybox or building from significantly more than 8 meters away. They're easy to avoid, banlines are practically impossible to avoid.

Just wondering... Would it be possible to script some sort of ILS? Well, maybe not exactly an ILS, but at least something that scans the sim once, and gives some warning if banlines are ahead, possibly even triggering only if you're within a certain altitude range of the banlines, sort of showing some up and down arrows on your hud if you are facing a banline, turning the "down" arrow red if you're below banline altitude, yellow or orange if you're close to banline altitude, flashing the "up" arrow in bright green to advise evasive actions?
I figure such a thing would only need to do a scan on sim entry, which, agreed, might take a few seconds, but after that, it'd just be a fixed dataset for that sim, with some refresh thingy in case you change heading/altitude.

Not the point. It's still someone's property that they have the right and ability to allow or disallow access to.
But to address your point, let's change the scenario... alpha-d prims.
Should those be illegal above a certain height?

Skyboxes over lap boundaries all the time. Maybe it's just the mini map being dodgy.

I'm for the right to ban lines, not that I'd want them myself, but people pay for their land and that to me is the bottom line.

Though keeping them low is fair, people pay to fly too.

You don't have the right to use banlines to restrict accessby the general population above 50M above ground level.

Prims aren't the same hazard to navigation as banlines. They may be an annoyance, but they won't crash your aircraft. Banlines present a unique hazard.