Are some people really so stupid as to expect privacy in SL?

I think that would be wonderful.

Driving is a lot of fun - once I found a car slow enough that it didn't go into orbit with the slightest push on the up arrow key. Lol.

I had a blast riding the Zindra hoverboard over the open plains there, before tickets began to be filled. Nothing but rolling plains and empty roads/bridges. Ahh. (I rode a horse too - also fun.)

The first thing a lot of 'newbies' try out is a vehicle.

It would be great if this were more an 'official' part of the game, i.e. it were made much easier and 'safer' for all.

P.S. I have a roadside lot I've turned into a rez-zone, so people can drive. I have plans to fix it up to make it 'really cute.' If anyone would like to have a landmark, please send me an IM in world (my inbox here is maxed.)

True about the new residents, or many of them anyways. Its often a riot at the Help Islands when a new person shows other new residents how to rez and ride the vehicles they can get off the boards there. Its certainly not safe at times, mayhem even, but all good fun

And yes, some of the older vehicles, pre Havok4, aren't the easiest to control. Would like to see some of the vehicles on those boards removed, or reworked, so that they are more easily controlled by first time users.
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They do that, and will sometimes ban all known alts of a player. And they'll get it wrong and ban innocent third parties as well, and it's hell for them to get back. Some never do.

Alt abuse is like when you make 200 alts to artificially raise your standing in Bloodlines. Yes, that really happened.

I don't recall it ever being useful for that.

Exaggerate much?

And the griefer will come back and fly over your banlines and litter your parcels with physical objects. Banlines don't protect you against that kind of thing. Autoreturn is what you need.

Yup, this one requires no-rez, no-object-entry and autoreturn.

That's what Linden Lab says. I'm not saying that's what SHOULD be, I'm saying that's what IS. I completely agree it's wrong, but neither you nor I have any control over it... though god knows I've tried. I've made dozens of proposals, spent I don't know how many hours talking with Lindens here in the forums and elsewhere, got half a dozen different proposals for REAL, EFFECTIVE privacy on the mainland on the Jira.

I'm not against privacy, I'm for it. I'm against ban-lines because they DO NOT provide privacy.

For you to turn around and paint me as someone who is opposing privacy is bizarre.

And, no, banlines don't keep you from being "buzzed by planes or copters", but can you actually recall the last time that happened?

no-rez and no-object-entry are pretty useless too. They can rez the prims in another parcel, sit on them, and edit them over. Autoreturn, however, is the bomb.

Who's asking for that? All we're asking for is that people use common sense.

I did not paint you as anything, Argent. Sorry if you interpreted it that way.

I read your post as stating that people on the mainland should not expect privacy. (There are two ways to interpret that.)

I've said more than once that planes flying overhead are not necessarily unpopular with homeowners due to privacy but often for the annoyance factor. Why do you respond as if I've said it's about privacy? I did not say that.

Probably work better if you allow object-entry when your neighbouring parcels haven't set auto-return. Can get a monster wall of trash along your fence line otherwise that you cant do anything about.

Argent what about the point I and some others keep raising - why not ask for more places that are official airspace?

You seem to focus on the "planes overhead are not peeping on you" issue but ignore that other point. Wouldn't that solve things?

Since ban lines only go up a little ways, it isn't an issue for pilots anyway. So I'm unsure why flying and ban lines keep coming into the same conversation at all. Other than, as I said, people sometimes dislike being buzzed by planes - and some are noisy!

As I pointed out already, that's not true. Commercial aviation does, yes, because it's on IFR. Recreational aviation under VFR doesn't even have to follow a flight plane unless the flight plan had it crossing specific areas like national borders or defense reserves. Certain kinds of recreational craft, like hot air balloons, don't even have to do that. So long as you stay out of ATC and other restricted airspace you can get your propane fix anywhere.
Nah, landowners in the real world get a lot less control over their airspace than in SL. You can't keep me from drifting overhead in a HAB in RL unless you're the government or the military, or unless I get low enough to scare your chooks.

We already have official airspace. Everything on the mainland over 40 meters that doesn't have something built in it.

I'm sorry? I focus on that? I didn't bring it up, and I only mention in response to someone else's comments.

Planes land and take off. Cars don't fly at all, they drive down Linden roads and a quarter second's lag can toss them into limbo when they hit a banline on a border. Boats don't fly in most cases, and they are routinely trashed by banlines.

Because people keep saying things like "we need to restrict aircraft to designated air corridors", or "everyone should be able to ban everyone to an infinite altitude".

Take it up with Linden Lab, I can't do anything about it, I think it sucks too.

Topic: "Are some people really so stupid as to expect privacy in SL?"

That's what I'm here for.

I think there's a market in there somewhere. Why have a boring security orb when a shotgun-toting scarecrow thing-a-me would do the trick. Or a robot fighter plane, or missile system for the higher altitudes.

WARNING WARNING !!! You're in a protected space. Move clear or get shot down !!!

Be quite fun I think done well, probably sell a whole bunch of them.

What was that bang dear?
Don't worry about it sweetheart. Carry on with what you're doing to me. Its just some random chook molesterer taking one in the bum

I don't know where you live so I'm not in a position to comment on your specifics. I live in a city and the only thing I ever see are the police helicopter and the light plane that does highway congestion reporting. Out near the commercial airport are aero clubs and a micro-light field. They stick to the areas they are allowed to be in and its all good.

I live in Houston, and I've been a hot air balloonist, and my best friend and boss has his own light plane. My "specifics" are "someone who actually knows what he's talking about".

I'll bet you see more of those, in RL, than you see ANY kind of aircraft in SL.

Commercial airports are ATC zones.

Just wondering, how legal would it be to script some kind of gunturret system, which automatically switches health on and off on your parcel, and targets anyone within range with lethal homing bullets which take, uhmm, say, 5 seconds to reach their target? Anyone flying or riding through will have passed through a 512 parcel by that time, anyone standing still would be, like uhmmm dead?
I can already see the AR's stapling up from such a device though.

The thing is, people WILL complain how such a system might be set on too short a timescale, while someone riding or flying through should be able to cross a parcel within 2 seconds.

I personally don't mind people on my land passing through, but I see that as a SERVICE to the public, not as a public RIGHT.

I've set my ground floor up with some low prim stuff like Linden trees and a campfire with Timeless Prototype multichairs (well, I turned them into wooden logs actually). People are welcome to pass through, or even hang out there. But still, it's a SERVICE, not a RIGHT.

I prefer to give my neighbours a nice view from their tree house, instead of something completely barren with a load of shoppingbags and lost vehicles like across my plot on the opposite of his plot. I don't have to look at it. But by all means, if I were to put down a cardboard box at groundlevel, call it my home, and erect banlines, then I'd be completely in my right to do so. I'd also have a neighbour who would like me a lot less. I would mind. Other people don't mind. it's not upto me to decide how others handle their plots or social relations. If others feel the need to rise banlines, even when given the drawbacks, then by all means, I tell em to do so.

Fair enough comment for your place.

I've never seen a balloon or private light plane in real tho over my place. Seen far more balloons in SL. I even ride on them every chance I get. Also rode as a passeger in a light plane as well out of some airport in Caledon one time. It fell off its flight path for some reason and pranged into the side of a building. Lucky for I wasn't hurt, so I jumped out and walked to the nearest station and caught the tram.

I think my point in all of this, is that there is enormous scope already in SL for all kinds of vehicles. Even just using the existing public spaces set aside specifically for this purpose its going to take an enormous amount of time for any one avatar to travel them all.

How much space do travellers want I suppose? Some only want as much as there is as defined by the Linden public right-of-ways. Some want as much as they can get. Others want all of the grid. I'm in the first group. But thats just me.

Hot air balloons.
Please don't exaggerate. Saying "your banlines aren't giving you privacy or protecting you from griefers, they're just making SL less pleasant for other people including the landowners around you" is not "deciding how others handle their plots".

People are quite entitled to overreact or even be antisocial jerks. The guy who was griefing me from his land because he didn't like cartoon raccoons was entitled to do so. I didn't AR him. I waited him out. When he built a plywood shack sticking out over my land I got the overlapping prims removed. When he put up posters, I blocked my view of his land with invisiprims. He was entitled to be a jerk, but boy was he a jerk.

That's the bottom line, the fact that people are allowed to be mistaken or rude doesn't change the fact that they're mistaken or rude.

You could well be in an ATC zone. But unless you're in some place like NYC free flight starts within a few miles of where you are.


That's all I want, but so long as people put up ban lines next to them, you can't get that.

Horseback riding too!