New controversial kid-avs-in-Zindra thread!

But what do you say is the problem with child avatars inadvertently rezzing at an Adult infohub like Arapaima? This is the bit I don't get.

For the benefit of those who haven't yet been forcibly rezzed there, it's like finding SL has rezzed you at any other info-hub I've been logged in at. I was too busy trying to tp to somewhere I wanted to be to take much notice of whether there were any child avatars about, but, had there been any, what conceivable offense could their involuntary presence there cause?

This line of argument about child avatars should take all possible steps to ensure nothing could inadvertently cause them to rez somewhere their presence might cause offence is about as reasonable as insisting that all avatars keep their clothes on at all times, in case -- whether by log-in problems or fiddling with a landmark and tping by accident (both of which have happened to me) or carelessly accepting a TP (which hasn't, because I'm careful) -- they end up nude in a PG area.

I repeat a point I made earlier. All my residential sims bar one are Adult, because that way neither my tenants nor I need to worry about what's allowed and what isn't. This means that, if any of my tenants have friends who are child avatars, those friends will need to be Adult Verified in some way if they are to visit them. I can see no objection to Child Avatars on the sim -- though I don't particularly want them there -- so long as they don't make a nuisance of themselves and they keep out of the clearly Adult Content areas, I'm certainly not going to start dictating to my tenants what sort of guests they may or may not invite over or what sort of friends they may or may not have, so long as their guests behave themselves while they're there -- which means not doing anything against TOS or anything that annoys me or any of the tenants.

What is wrong with that?

My avatar is ageless.... Does that count?

Lias, your logic is disturbing to say the least. Child avatars landing in random Adult regions and blaming sim crashes for it? Really? Do you not recognize just how astoundingly *stupid* that argument is? When is the last time you landed anywhere but a random *infohub* when your sim crashed and neither your home nor last-location sims are online?

And you are now stooping to the level of universally blaming child avatars for your having to move to Zindra... Seriously???

Why am I even arguing with you anymore? You have clearly parted ways with rational logic and reality a long time ago, and your posts here clearly show it. You have taken "obsession" to seriously unhealthy levels. Please - for your sake and the sake of everyone around you - get professional help.

I did not say it. The OP did.

I am not sure you are aware of the new rules that created the 'adult content' category we all must abide by now.
Nude in a PG area is an ARable offense. YOu can appeal - but your still may get AR'd anyway.
Or you make a rule no child avatars and these friends can wear a new folder that has an adult avatar in it when they enter your adult area residential homes. Why would you create an environment where child avatars can go to places that have sex beds in them? That seems irresponsible to me.

Tell Dakota. He started the thread with that premise.
I don't know. Dakota started it. Argue with him.

Kat, you respond to many of these child avatar threads suggesting anyone that does not agree with you is crazier than you. Seems to be a waste of your keystrokes to go off topic and try to cleanse the forums of opinions. But you can try - on another forum soon, since this one is closing. Good luck.

Ummm... no. Cody rather specifically mentioned adult *infohubs*. Go back and re-read. Carefully.

Kat, I just quoted it in post 101, above this one.

I said - get an alt and do not adult verify it - and Dakota will no longer have any need to post here that he 'accidently' ended up in an adult infohub. Of course the child avatar people completely refuse to make any allowances in the name of common decency. Dakota started this thread to just poke fun at folks that find it disturbing and wrong for people to masquerade as small children in adult areas. Solutions he is not looking for.

Carry on.

and you always follow right after and prove her right.

I see Lias completely ignored my reply to her; evidently because she could not rebut it. Typical.

I am fairly certain Dakota, Mari, and every other child avatar on-grid who has ever had occasion to buy Lindens or pay tier to LL will agree to abandon their avatars and create a new, NPIOF one, IF *you* agree to delete your inventory. All of it.

Put your money where your mouth is.

Why would you delete your inventory when you can access it in another account?

And we deleted all of our builds to move to Zindra. I think common decency takes precedence over your prim no transfer scripted lollipop.

Post #70, page #5.
Nice try though.

its actually a really SIMPLE solution to this.. its called settings.


on the 1.23+ viewers, Edit/Preferences/General/ PG ONLY.

No more fear of landing in mature OR adult, but still the freedom to change as needed when appropriate.

How freaking HARD is it, and how many pages of arguments are needed?

Keep your PIOF/PIU/Age verified status for when you NEED it, alter your settings the rest of the time to avoid the issue.

Its NOT rocket science.

~Brie

Will you pay the hunderds of usd to transfer all my sims to my new avatar so people don't end up sending IMs to a moneyvault? afterall people want to talk to an actual active account.
And will you also pay the lost income from the people that nolonger can use my sims because they need an adult rated sim and I can nolonger offer it to them to please miss lias leandros and her fear of seeing a child av in the infohub?

Umm, maybe because that is what LL says? Your avatar can be anything you want to be in SL, it is your ACTIONS that determine if you are breaking the TOS or not. Kid avatars have the same exact rules as adult avatars and robot avatars. With the exception of no ageplay. What about this is so hard to understand?

Sure, a parcel can feel free to set whatever rules they want. No kids. No flying. No orange. Whatever. The point is those are rules set by the PROPERTY owner, not the WORLD owner (LL) and do not extend to other parcels.

unfortunatly that info is not available untill after you are logged in unless the login process has been changed, the random login system has been known not to check a lot of things.
even if it was it would not be a fix for me, I need it all the time and I am by far not the only estate owner with a child-av

This avatar I use everyday does not own my sims. Make yourself the estate manager and stop making up excuses.

I have yet to hear of a mass invasion of child avatars into adult establishments now any more than before this policy was introduced. In fact, I doubt visits by child AVs to Zindra at all are that common.

The point is not whether it happens or not though. The point is keeping the current policy: child avatars should be allowed to go to Zindra as long as they do not participate in adult activity.

The answer is simple: ghettoization. The moment it becomes LL policy not to let a certain class of avatars somewhere on the grid you open up a whole can of worms (including what if it were not their fault: they were sent to an infohub in Zindra on login or got a random tp).

Post #74, page #5.

We can access no transfer items from secondary accounts now? Mind telling us how?

But again, it's not automatic, either, and there's no way to script something that changes that setting when somebody wears an outfit that includes a child avatar shape. Moreover, even while wearing a child avatar, the adult at the keyboard may want to broaden Search to allow "Adult" results (it's not as if every search is done with the intent of immediate teleport), and there's no way to do that unless the general maturity setting includes Adult.

FWIW, I use a simple script that alerts me when I change region into a different maturity rating, just in case I don't otherwise notice. I don't have a child avatar, so my concern is more the other direction: landing unexpectedly on PG land while inappropriately (un-)dressed. For all rational purposes, this would address the problem, but for irrational purposes--the ZOMG phobia of the remote possibility that a child avatar might momentarily appear on Adult land--there is no fix short of truncating the shape sliders to prevent child-size avatars, removing the ability of any avatar to have attachments, and disabling all animations. As long as it is technically *possible* for child-like avatars to exist, some will sometimes appear on Adult land.

I'd counsel: Deal already.

Funny Lias but you forget to say how many IMs go to the estate owner instead of the estate managers, maybe you do not care that someone does not get an answer to their question but I do, why don't you stop trying to force others to jump trough hoops so they don't end up at the *PG* INFOHUBS at zindra.

If it is not broken don't try to fix it.

Lias-

It sounds like you want people to go over and above LL's rules in order to satisfy you? Right? Okay, even if they do, it would be no more than a nodding agreement ... there would be nothing to enforce the deal.

Petition LL if you have a case.

Perhaps Lias is suggesting that we copybot our no-trans items.

I am perfectly aware of that. My point is that your line of argument -- that child avatars must take all possible steps to avoid inadvertently ending up in inappropriate places -- would seem to lead to the conclusion that all avatars should keep their clothes on at all time in order to inadvertently ending up nude in a PG area through a similar accident. Is that what you are saying?
No, I am selective about to whom I rent property, and I trust responsible adults and their guests to behave responsibly, whatever avatar they happen to be wearing. As to your question, "Why would you create an environment where child avatars can go to places that have sex beds in them", I suggest you ask Linden Labs why they created SL on precisely that basis, and allow it to remain so. Or are you saying that child avatars should be confined to PG areas?

So should we AR or just point Stroker's class action towards Lias?