New controversial kid-avs-in-Zindra thread!
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Lear Cale
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09-21-2009 10:44
From: Lias Leandros Many other residents feel that the human child avatar wearers should make more allowances in the name of common decency. But child avatars refuse to do so. So here we are. Common decency? LOL That would rule out an awful lot of what people enjoy in SL. Common decency, sheesh. OTHERS should conform to YOUR sense of common decency, right? Good luck with that! Evidently, you think that child avatars are the problem, therefore the onus should be on them to avoid it. The good news is that Lias is engaging in wishful thinking. SL isn't the way she wants it. Well, it's not the way I think it should be, in certain ways. Welcome to the monkey house. |
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Lias Leandros
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09-21-2009 10:48
From: Lear Cale Common decency? LOL
The good news is that Lias is engaging in wishful thinking. SL isn't the way she wants it. The rules against child avatar activities that Linden Lab adopted are only based on common decency - nothing more. In 2007 a German blogger's wish came true.
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Seven Okelli
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09-21-2009 10:52
From: Lias Leandros For all that is good and holy, please do not start posting stories about catching your parents having sex. Thank you. /me sings, "I saw Mommy kissing Santa Claus / underneath the mistletoe last night" Okay. I got it out of my system. .
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Kara Spengler
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09-21-2009 10:55
From: Lias Leandros I Am not sure why this such an outrageous idea for you. Thousands of paying customers just abandoned parcels they paid for and deleted custom builds to comply with the new Adult classifications. That was an LL ruling, which was most likely externally driven. You are talking about people making a change to suit another resident (you) when LL has already weighed in on the matter. Talk to LL if you want an ironclad guarantee that kid AVs will never be on Zindra. From: Lias Leandros I did not see you post in outrage when we were asked to do that. Umm, myself and a few others did exactly that. I was (actually, still am) an officer in one of the groups protesting the move of adult content. Not because we were affected by the move, but because we did not want to see *anyone* put though that. Then we got you and Prok being oh-so-thankful for us doing so.
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Milla Janick
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09-21-2009 11:03
From: Lias Leandros I Am not sure why this such an outrageous idea for you. Thousands of paying customers just abandoned parcels they paid for and deleted custom builds to comply with the new Adult classifications. Landowners were compensated with land in Zindra and given the option to keep their old land. |
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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09-21-2009 11:35
From: Argent Stonecutter I think that when you get logged in at a random sim you should show up in a TRON outfit.  Close enough? =^-^=  |
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Argent Stonecutter
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09-21-2009 11:39
From: Imnotgoing Sideways From: Argent Stonecutter
I think that when you get logged in at a random sim you should show up in a TRON outfit.
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Close enough? =^-^= [image] [sfx=sesame street] "♫One of these things is not like the other. ♫One of these things just doesn't belong...♫" [/sfx] |
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Milla Janick
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09-21-2009 11:41
/me searches for a Tron Guy avatar.
I have the most wonderful horrible idea.
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Lias Leandros
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09-21-2009 11:42
From: Milla Janick Landowners were compensated with land in Zindra and given the option to keep their old land. Loosing income and given the opportunity to pay more tier is not compensation. And child avatars apologists are just throwing up yet another blockade so they do not have to make any more compensations except the one that states they cannot engage in sexual activity.
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Argent Stonecutter
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09-21-2009 11:44
From: Milla Janick /me searches for a Tron Guy avatar. Someone promised to send me one they were working on a few months back, I forget who... |
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Milla Janick
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09-21-2009 11:51
From: Lias Leandros Loosing income and given the opportunity to pay more tier is not compensation.
And child avatars apologists are just throwing up yet another blockade so they do not have to make any more compensations except the one that states they cannot engage in sexual activity. Linden Lab essentially gave businesses the market value for their mainland parcels to move. You had the opportunity to sell it. If you abandoned it, that was your choice. Why should residents with child avatars make any additional concessions? If the presence of child avatars in non-sexual situations makes you uncomfortable, that's a you problem. |
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Lias Leandros
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09-21-2009 11:55
From: Milla Janick Linden Lab essentially gave businesses the market value for their mainland parcels to move. You had the opportunity to sell it. If you abandoned it, that was your choice. Milla the market value of land does not compensate for disrupting cash flow. And re-establishing business in a new location. From: someone Why should residents with child avatars make any additional concessions? If the presence of child avatars in non-sexual situations makes you uncomfortable, that's a you problem. That is debatable - and we continue to debate just that.
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Katheryne Helendale
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09-21-2009 12:00
From: Treasure Ballinger Scandalous.....I remember as a kid, 'catching' my parents by opening a door they should have locked. I walked in and looked at them and thought something like...."wtf"???  and then got the dog who was asleep at the foot of the bed, and left. Yep, I accidentally walked in on my parents as well. It didn't traumatize me, but I had the instant feeling I was someplace I should not have been. Had I have been a "normal" child going by Lias' definition, I should have felt the urge to jump in and join them. But I guess I'm not normal, because the only thing *I* wanted to do was back quickly out of the room and make a vow to myself that I would *always* knock before opening a closed door. Of course, going by Lias' logic, I had no business living in the same *country* with my parents because they used their bed for sex.  |
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Abigail Merlin
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09-21-2009 12:03
From: Lias Leandros That is debatable - and we continue to debate just that. No you rant and expect others to jump trough hoops to fix a problem that does not even exist like you have been doing from the first day zindra opened for public. |
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Katheryne Helendale
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09-21-2009 12:03
From: Lias Leandros And child avatars apologists are just throwing up yet another blockade so they do not have to make any more compensations except the one that states they cannot engage in sexual activity. At the risk of sounding horribly blunt: Why *should* they make compensations? The ToS did not change for them. It changed for you. Deal with it! |
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Treasure Ballinger
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09-21-2009 12:07
From: Katheryne Helendale Yep, I accidentally walked in on my parents as well. It didn't traumatize me, but I had the instant feeling I was someplace I should not have been. Had I have been a "normal" child going by Lias' definition, I should have felt the urge to jump in and join them. But I guess I'm not normal, because the only thing *I* wanted to do was back quickly out of the room and make a vow to myself that I would *always* knock before opening a closed door. Of course, going by Lias' logic, I had no business living in the same *country* with my parents because they used their bed for sex. I had just come in to get the dog, in the first place, cause a nightmare woke me up and I was scared.  |
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Milla Janick
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09-21-2009 12:10
From: Lias Leandros Milla the market value of land does not compensate for disrupting cash flow. And re-establishing business in a new location. It is compensation. Whether or not it was acceptable to each individual is another matter. If people abandoned their land instead of selling it, that suggests the land swap alone was sufficient compensation for them, since they did not bother to take advantage of the option to sell their old land. |
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Katheryne Helendale
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09-21-2009 12:13
From: Lias Leandros Milla the market value of land does not compensate for disrupting cash flow. And re-establishing business in a new location. If your business was actually worth anything, then your customers would have had no problem finding your new location and adjusting their LMs accordingly. I have also had my way of life disrupted by the changes to the rules regarding adult content; and yet I blame no one for it. It is, for me, an accepted risk of doing business in my line of work. I am not sitting here writhing in apoplexy lashing out at whole communities of people who had absolutely NOTHING to do with the changes to the rules regarding adult content. I have finally figured out the difference most of the child avatars on this grid and you: Most child avatars have the maturity and grace to accept the limitations and inherent risks of their existence. |
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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09-21-2009 12:20
From: Katheryne Helendale ...Most child avatars have the maturity and grace to accept the limitations and inherent risks of their existence. The ones that don't have been banned already. =^-^= |
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Lias Leandros
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09-21-2009 12:20
From: Abigail Merlin No you rant and expect others to jump trough hoops to fix a problem that does not even exist like you have been doing from the first day zindra opened for public. No Abi. If I am ranting then I guess you are also. Others have posted stating that they do not want child AVs in adult designated areas - they just refuse to discuss it with you. The problem continues to exist (as is evident from Gavin Hird's thread on ARing the child avatar solicited for sex in the welcome area). You just do not want anyone to discuss it.
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Argent Stonecutter
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09-21-2009 12:24
From: Lias Leandros Others have posted stating that they do not want child AVs in adult designated areas ... ... of course virtually none of them go along with your definition of "adult designated areas". Soliciting people for sex in a welcome area is kind of unsavory no matter who they are. |
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Melita Magic
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09-21-2009 12:35
From: Lias Leandros And child avatars apologists are just throwing up yet another blockade so they do not have to make any more compensations except the one that states they cannot engage in sexual activity. Why do you keep implying that child avatars and sexual activity somehow go together? People do not consider it a 'compensation' to make, to not engage in that, since it is not something they wanted to do anyway. That rule takes skin off NO one's nose. I'm not sure what 'other compensations' you mean, but that is not even anywhere near the same category as regular SL stuff. |
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Handy Skytower
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09-21-2009 12:41
From: Innula Zenovka I'm still trying to understand what the problem's supposed to be.
As to the other problem identified by Lias, all I can say is that possibly I attend a better class of orgy than do some people, Pepsi flies out my nose! hahahahahaha You go Innula! Handy |
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Ceka Cianci
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09-21-2009 12:52
I don't think adult ratings were brought on because of child avatars..I think they were brought on because of adult content and other things fitting into the rating..A lot worse things have happened to people in sl than having the option to be in a select group that land investors would have drooled over being in..
how about just Dumpin your sims because they just upped the price on tier and cut back on the objects you can have..
at least Zindra you got something for your money where OS some just dumped off cause it was about the only option for some..
Seriously..the whole whaaa whaa about child avatars is pretty childish itself in my opinion..
cause it's not some problem that exists..it's all what if's.. not look what is going on over there..
what if this happens and then it starts to rain pedeo's..bleh..
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Milla Janick
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09-21-2009 13:43
From: Argent Stonecutter Someone promised to send me one they were working on a few months back, I forget who... I found the outfit on XStreet. I'm going to have to work on the shape. (The sunglasses aren't part of it). https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=487218 |
