New controversial kid-avs-in-Zindra thread!

Except then I can't go to all those nice age-verified but NON-"ADULT" places I like to go, nor would my child avatar be digitally innoculated against bogus ARs. You know, those things I -just talked about in my last post-. And then there's all the non-trans items in my inventory, which (like you) I've spent thousands of lindens and the equivalent of a couple hundred dollars accruing over the past two years. Items, places, and protectionI'd have to leave behind - not to solve any "problem" (as I indicated in my OP, there actually is no problem, except in your bizarrely-fixated mind), but just to make you happy - and the rare part is, it wouldn't even do that. How many times have you run into me in-world, Lias? Have I been griefing your silly club school, or picketing your Zindra store (if you have one), or showing up and spoiling your "grownup time"? Why should your comfort figure into any course of action I choose? My friends - the people whose opinions actually matter - are perfectly comfortable around me. Yeah, the adult ones too. I can't make -everybody- happy, of course, and I don't particularly feel like trying. And I certainly don't think accomodating the personal sensibilities of you and your friends are worth everything I would lose by following your so-called advice.



I make all sorts of allowances for my avatar choice. I don't go to "adult" regions, and I instantly leave any place where I'm told a child avatar isn't welcome. Do not try to resize me to fit into your neat little stereotype, because you do not have mod rights to me, much as you might want them.

I'm still trying to understand what the problem's supposed to be.

If a child avatar finds him- or herself at an adult info-hub and there's something untoward going on (which there isn't supposed to be at the Zindra ones, is there?), presumably the wise course of action is to do what I've done on the -- pretty rare -- occasions I've found myself dumped somewhere stupid while in a state of déshabillé by SL -- tp out rapidly or, if that proves impossible, quickly log out and wait until the grid's calmed down a bit. Having said that, maybe I'm lucky, but I don't often find myself logged in somewhere unexpected, dressed or not.

As to the other problem identified by Lias, all I can say is that possibly I attend a better class of orgy than do some people, but none I've attended have ever been disrupted by the sudden appearance of child avatars, whether because they've been tp-d there by a mischievous "friend" or for any other reason. Do others find this a usual hazard?

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Yes, that is my logic.

The Zindra/Adult area thing is a good thing for child avatars - now they can really distinguish themselves from the adult content - but of course they do not want to do that - this is all just lip service. They would rather hide behind a weak ToS and blame sim crashings for their appearances in Adult areas while masquerading as a child.

So make no allowances and these sort of conversations will continue.

Lets hear it for the new forums!! Hip hip!! Hooray!!! \o/

Yes, that is my logic.

The Zindra/Adult area thing is a good thing for adult avatars - now they can really distinguish themselves from the PG content - but of course they do not want to do that - this is all just lip service. They would rather hide behind a weak ToS and blame sim crashings for their appearances in PG areas while masquerading as an adult.

So make no allowances and these sort of conversations will continue.

Infohubs in adult-rated regions are PG-rated areas.

You know this already, so why are you lying about it?

So the double talk and the line in the sand continues.

The majority of the child avatars and the cild avatar apologist that post in these forums will not budge from their stance that the ToS allows them to do anything they want but have virtual sex as a child avatar. And that is the only activity they will not engage in as a child avatar.

Many other residents feel that the human child avatar wearers should make more allowances in the name of common decency. But child avatars refuse to do so. So here we are.

wonders how many people actually play an avatar that is their RL age

Being a 5-6 yo kangaroo, not me I guess

Wow i could hardly tell..You hide the accent very well

I find myself agreeing with this statement, and wishing that those with child avatars would respect the principle that it embodies.

I don't support a "ban" on child avatars in adult areas, for all sorts of reasons, not least of which is that it would be impossible to enforce, and badly prone to abuse.

But in my view, a really responsible person with a child avatar would voluntarily refrain from showing up with that avatar in an adult area, regardless of the nature of the content actually found there, because it should be in THEIR interest (and everyone else's) to keep the unfortunately murky line between appropriate and inappropriate contexts for child avatars as clear as possible.

What is more, if I owned adult land, self-interest would dictate that I would have a very clearly stated and publicized policy banning avatars depicting underage humans (I haven't decided about kangaroos yet), and making it also clear that determining what constituted an underage avatar was at MY discretion. Should someone representing what I deemed to be an underage person appear, I would ask them politely to leave, and if they didn't, I would ban them.

My reasons for endorsing this sort of policy are really primarily practical.

-- A child avatar in an adult area represents a risk to the sim, and to everyone in it

-- The presence of a child avatar in an adult area, whatever their actual motivation for being there, is too easily open to misconstruction

-- There is no way to confirm that a child avatar in an adult area IS engaged only in "appropriate" activities; I don't have access to IMs.

-- A child avatar in an adult area represents a potential risk to ALL other child avatars in SL: all it might conceivably take is one or two incidents, even if they are badly distorted by the media, to produce a clumsy and OTT response from LL. It has happened before; it can happen again.

As always, I believe that the exercise of intelligence and personal responsibility is the best approach to this issue; again, a ban would be unworkable and is, in any case, a stupid response. But the reality is that this is a hot-button issue: for that reason, I think that the responsible attitude for those RPing children is to do their very best to avoid anything that seems to blur the lines, is open to being misconstrued, or places others at potential risk. The latter, in particular, seems important to me. I would not be very happy even with a friend RPing a child who was willing to place ME at risk by showing up in my adult sim in order to make a point, or out of complacency.

This thread is not about residents deliberately going into Adult regions. The problem is residents are being sent to the two Adult infohubs when their login location is not available.

The whole issue of rezzing at infohubs instead of your home location or some other parcel of your choica can be somewhat problematic for all residents, not just those playing child avatars.

Certainly; I am of course responding to some of the ways in which this thread has developed, rather than to the OP.

I agree that the whole rezzing at infohubs thing is a problem, but it is also, in some ways, hardly worth discussion: I think we'd ALL like to see more choice as to where we are dumped when a sim goes down.

For what it is worth, I DO see the value (and even importance) of a child avi age-verifying, despite the fact that not doing so would eliminate the problem of being potentially dumped in an adult infohub.

And child avatars are in the position to solve the problem for themselves. And they refuse to do so.

right by losing everything we have invested over 2+ years, not being able to go non sexual adult rated private estates and not be able to buy mainland or anything else for that matter because as soon as we buy one single L$ on the new alt you want us to make we are back to being at risk of ending up in an adult area.
your solution does not work lias and you know it.

Remember those of us that lost our mainland parcels and business traffic to move to Zindra after establishing business for several years? Yeah, everyone makes sacrifices - except you of course.

I have an unverified alt that I give lindens if she needs anything. I do not feel like adding info to her so she can get to my Zindra parcel - so I JUst keep her on the mainland and using the greenlife viewer. No big deal. Your just making excuses for not doing the right thing. YOur using an adult verified child avatar as an excuse to 'mistakenly' appear in Adult areas - or visit friends in adult areas without changing your avatar.

What this boils down to people having different standards on common decency and what compromises some are willing to make for the community at large.

you did not lose your mainland parcel you gained a zindra parcel
but your post does show where the problem is you blame the new adult rules on child avatars and decided to go on a cruisade
btw lias it would not just be a sacrifice for me but for all my tenants that want to be on an adult rated sim from me

Is your professional name 'Clueless Linden'? I am sure that no one that had to move a half sim of content and loose their traffic and income sees it your way.
Abi, you and I both have been responding to the child avatar issue for some time now - check your own motivations.
Again, so what? They are there as adults - because it is adult. And not there as children. Makes sense to me.

Info hubs are PG and kid avs are allowed on Zindra, they are able to open PG (and maybe even mature) parcels on there if they so choose and they are allowed there in their kid avs... There is no reason they should lessen their account powers and value because a few people don't like it.

Really... when talking about being responsible shouldn't it be grow the fuck up and stop nit picking the hell out of other account holders you can't personally accept?

hmm, namecalling.. very unprofecional and against forum rules.

simple, I have two reasons to keep the right to be on adult rated sim, I am a horror fan and horror is adult and I am an estate owner and have to be able to go to adult rated sims to help my paying tennants


they might not all be there as child avatar, some are for very legid reasons, but even if they where as their landlord I have an obligation to help them personaly, it is that service why they are my tennants in the first place

you'd probably have more credibility if your friends/tenants didn't keep breaking the ToS with regards to child avs.

Obviously you haven't found a responsible adult yet.

IBTL
This is sofar out of line it ended up in another galaxy