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Smith Peel
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09-24-2009 20:33
From: Lias Leandros
I just think it is terrible that these people have to spend their time on this for years


They CHOOSE to spend their time on this, instead of doing something that actually might protect real life children from real life predators. You're right, it's a colossal waste of time. Adults roleplaying children has nothing to do with anything.
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Dick McMinnar
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09-24-2009 20:36
From: Lias Leandros
Silly.
LL targeted a rule to one specific population because they do not break that rule. Yeah, OK.

And the rule that no one breaks was broken on Sept 18th because (according to Immy) the rule is not made available for the pedo players to see so they did not know it was a rule.

She's farkin' insane. There's no other explanation.
Dick McMinnar
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09-24-2009 20:39
From: Lias Leandros
Immy said the policy failed on the 18th because the pedophile was not aware of the policy. Ignorance IS a defense.


Lying again.
Ann Otoole
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09-24-2009 20:41
Here this might clue people in to some factors:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Cambria
Should have called Zindra Cambria instead.
Dick McMinnar
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09-24-2009 20:41
From: Lias Leandros
We were looking in the future to when LL bans masquerading as a child in SL. We were looking at what criteria would be used to determine who would be breaking the ban.

Just some brain storming on developing the language around such a rule.

You can haz multiple personalities naow?
Smith Peel
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09-24-2009 20:41
From: Dick McMinnar
She's farkin' insane. There's no other explanation.


She's either nuts, sincere but completely misguided and in need of a course in Logic, or in it for the LOLz... or possibly some combination.
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Dick McMinnar
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09-24-2009 20:43
From: Milla Janick
Because I want everyone who ever reads this thread to see your claims for exactly what they are.


Rabid frothing at the mouth?
Lias Leandros
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09-24-2009 21:06
From: Jojogirl Bailey
im sure you know lias that data can be skewed to reflect the desired outcome.
Well, they refuse to make their data public - so I doubt it is fabricated.

They told me to post about pedophilia in SL and see what happened - and you saw the response. No one wants it to be true, especially the people masquerading as children in SL. I assumed people would err on the side of caution and want to make sure it was under control. Instead they say 'just let LL handle it'. SO now I know why these folks took matters into their own hands.
From: someone
without the actual ages of those involved, i could not say that any of this was true pedophilia.
These folks look for virtual pedophilia - not RL Pedophilia - there is another group taking up that cause.
From: someone
i do believe there is age play and a desire for age play in sl.
Ageplay is a BDSM Term used to soft peddle virtual pedophilia. And it is alive and well in SL.

One Island owner that runs a nude beach that allows nude child avatars there said he was security at a place that was closed by LL for virtual pedophilia and he took all of those homeless members into his nude beach group when he opened.
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Then to take the fact that there are child avatars in sl and making that into the reason for ANY pedophilia to be in sl, just really does not compute.
You cannot have virtual pedophilia in SL without virtual children in SL.
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lias, please dont let people snow you into believing their data....im sure it can be upsetting and inflammatory to see their data, but really examine it with a clear and logical mind.
They even let me go undercover with them. I grabbed one of my 2006 alts and went to a place. the undercover vouched for me and I saw the relationships there - quite disturbing.

So I research before blindly believing.
From: someone
ps...if any of this group you are referring to are affiliated with the real life group, perverted justice...just know that most of their data gets thrown out in rl because alot of it is trumped up.
The RL pedo activities will become a real threat to the main grid if LL does not ban the use of child avatars before they merge the teen grid with us.

Now the issue is the virtual pedophilia that adults masquerading as children engage in. That problem can be dealt with now by banning the child avatar from the grid.

I think those folks have been undercover so long they do not want to come up for air. It seems as if LL will happily take their reports, hide them and continue the secret relationship until the end of time. I just feel the time is up for the child avatar.
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Lias Leandros
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09-24-2009 21:13
From: Smith Peel
They CHOOSE to spend their time on this, instead of doing something that actually might protect real life children from real life predators. You're right, it's a colossal waste of time. Adults roleplaying children has nothing to do with anything.
Linden Lab does not think so. That is why the community standards address this group and their activities.
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Gavin Hird
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09-24-2009 22:25
From: Katheryne Helendale

And resorting to repeating mantras in every single one of your posts as the sole premise for your arguments excludes you ...


Not a mantra Katheryne. Copy from the Linden TOS clarification about ageplay. Deal with it ;-))
Gavin Hird
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09-24-2009 22:28
From: Katheryne Helendale

Oh... and referring to yourself in the third person? Kinda creepy, IMO.


Maybe the explanation is so simple that when I say we, there is more than one person in the picture? :-)
Daniel Regenbogen
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09-25-2009 00:14
From: Lias Leandros
I may not like what someone is saying but I will never insist that they stop talking and sharing information. We all have the right to do that at least.


Nope, Lia(r)s. You accuse a group of people to be criminals, again and again. If you did this in RL, you would need to back up these accusations *very* quickly or shut up - or you would find yourself facing the judge faster than you could type another of your lies.

But we shouldn't even need any laws or judges. It is the most basic type of respect in a civilized discussion when I make claims (especially such big and dramatic ones like you do), that I also back them up with facts. *Especially* when I claim that there *are* facts and that I know them.

But not you, Lia(r)s. You always change topic when you are asked to backup your mindtwisted fantasies. Your answer (if one comes at all) always is "it is!" (because *you* say so).
Daniel Regenbogen
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09-25-2009 00:20
From: Lias Leandros
Linden Lab removes all ARs on pedophilia from the police blotter before it is published for public scrutiny. To LL this sort of thing is the worst activity they can admit to harboring.


Lia(r)s, there are reports for "Ageplay" on the Incident Report (it isn't called police blotter anymore for many, many months now) once in a while - LL does not remove or hide them. There simply aren't that many, and nobody denied that there *are* some. They are just not the widespread problem you, Lia(r)s, try to make out of them. *You* claim that *every RL adult* using a kid avatar is a pervert. Seeing that there are thousands of kid avatars around, the Incident Report should be flooded with "Ageplay" violations. Nah. You simply are a liar, Lia(r)s.
Innula Zenovka
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09-25-2009 00:21
From: Lias Leandros

They even let me go undercover with them. I grabbed one of my 2006 alts and went to a place. the undercover vouched for me and I saw the relationships there - quite disturbing.

So I research before blindly believing.

Quite seriously, what research do you suggest people should carry out before blindly believing your account of this mysterious group, should they wish to emulate your admirable skepticism about unsubstantiated claims?
Katheryne Helendale
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09-25-2009 01:17
From: Lias Leandros
When adults feel images posted in a PG Forum are broadly offensive - you just behave like a 'child' and tell them to get over it.
A few people noted that the picture in question may not have really been appropriate for the forum. But only one person has expressed outrage about the image - and I seriously question that person's status as an adult.
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09-25-2009 01:24
From: Lias Leandros
Definitely profile - that is a dead give away. Linden Lab is already Policing profiles - so that would not be too difficult to add child avatars.

Height is a good indicator. Linden Lab put restrictions on 16M squares - so height restrictions are not that far-fetched for Human avatars.

Dress and hair would not matter - nor 'toys'.

Nah, far too many grey areas, Lias. What you should be campaigning for is compulsory pubic hair for men and women, thick and luxuriant. Perhaps beards too. Nobody sees a good bushy beard (on a man _or_ a woman) and thinks "is that a kid?" :D
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09-25-2009 01:33
From: Lias Leandros
I do not have to prove it. I am discussing an issue that I know exists. If you feel it does not exists - then refrain from discussing it. You leaving the thread will not silence it.
The hell you don't. You're the one coming in here and making outlandish claims - claims which you have consistently failed to substantiate. It is not our responsibility to prove your claim for you. *You* make the claim, *you* back it up. Your credibility in these forums has dwindled to nil. Nobody with a brain is going to take what you say at face value anymore; so either put up or shut up.
From: Lias Leandros
Someone made a program that catches key words from the incidence reports and counts the reports by type (not a hard task).
Nice try, but didn't you, just a few pages ago, claim that LL does not file alleged pedophilia claims in their IR tracker? What exactly would this program then accomplish?
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09-25-2009 01:45
From: Lias Leandros
Linden Lab does not think so. That is why the community standards address this group and their activities.
So we should be up in arms about other activities that Linden Lab addresses, like, say, the sex industry?
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09-25-2009 01:49
From: Lias Leandros
Some noob wanders over to you and types "hi! I am 14 years old and I made a avatar to try out Second Life". You include their admittance in the underage AR.
Admission. The word is admission.

English. Do you speak it?

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09-25-2009 01:53
From: Lias Leandros
Evidence of pedophilia is evidence of pedophilia Milla.
Blame the victim much?
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09-25-2009 01:55
From: Lias Leandros
Well, they refuse to make their data public - so I doubt it is fabricated.

Yes, that is the most convincing way of thinking I ever saw. Anyone refusing to make their data public, must have correct data. See the stupidity in this Lias?

From: Lias Leandros
They told me to post about pedophilia in SL and see what happened - and you saw the response. No one wants it to be true, especially the people masquerading as children in SL. I assumed people would err on the side of caution and want to make sure it was under control. Instead they say 'just let LL handle it'. SO now I know why these folks took matters into their own hands.
These folks look for virtual pedophilia - not RL Pedophilia - there is another group taking up that cause.
Ageplay is a BDSM Term used to soft peddle virtual pedophilia. And it is alive and well in SL.

Let me start by saying that no one in this thread says it is not true. Of course there will be virtual pedophilia in SL, everything is available somewhere in SL. BUT:
- The problem is not as widespread as you want the world to believe. Incidents are not the same as mainstream.
- The way you make a connection between all child avatars, and these incidents, is simply sick and twisted. And that is the friendly way of putting it. Slander it is.
- Of course there are bdsm-ers that engage in ageplay, where the sub 'plays' a younger age. But wtf does that have to to with soft peddling virtual pedophilia? Are you insane or just playing insane?

From: Lias Leandros
One Island owner that runs a nude beach that allows nude child avatars there said he was security at a place that was closed by LL for virtual pedophilia and he took all of those homeless members into his nude beach group when he opened.
You cannot have virtual pedophilia in SL without virtual children in SL.
They even let me go undercover with them. I grabbed one of my 2006 alts and went to a place. the undercover vouched for me and I saw the relationships there - quite disturbing.

So wow you found a place where these things happen. Well, AR the place and go on with your life. Yes places like that will exist, no one says they do not.

From: Lias Leandros
So I research before blindly believing.
The RL pedo activities will become a real threat to the main grid if LL does not ban the use of child avatars before they merge the teen grid with us.

Now the issue is the virtual pedophilia that adults masquerading as children engage in. That problem can be dealt with now by banning the child avatar from the grid.

I think those folks have been undercover so long they do not want to come up for air. It seems as if LL will happily take their reports, hide them and continue the secret relationship until the end of time. I just feel the time is up for the child avatar.

That made me laugh, even though it is too sad to laugh over.
Research? S you find a place where virtual ageplayers hang out and that is your reason to ban child avatars. You would do great as a police officer... not.
Why not banning all adult avatars? That would stop the ageplay between adult avatars and child avatars as well. Because if all child avatars are pedos, then all adults must be as well.

There is so much wrong with your way of thinking that don't even know where to start. And the thing is, I can't figure out whether you are simply stupid, or just love pouring oil on the fire.

The more I think about it, the more I think you are a potentially dangerous person. The fact you have a narrow mind is not the problem. The fact you are willing to punish a group of people over a few bad apples, is dangerous thinking though.

THE WAY LIAS THINKS:
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- a couple of priests were found to molest young boys. Let's ban priesthood all together.
- a couple of black people were found to be criminals. Let's somehow ban black people.
- a couple of women were found to be prostitutes. Let's chain all women, they are all potential prostitutes.

If THAT doesn't show you how twisted your way of thinking is, nothing will.
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09-25-2009 01:58
From: Smith Peel
She's either nuts, sincere but completely misguided and in need of a course in Logic, or in it for the LOLz... or possibly some combination.
I think she started off for the lulz; but as time progressed, she began to actually *believe* the bullshit she'd been posting.... and, well, here we are today.
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09-25-2009 02:01
From: Lias Leandros
Well, they refuse to make their data public - so I doubt it is fabricated.
:eek:
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One Island owner that runs a nude beach that allows nude child avatars there said he was security at a place that was closed by LL for virtual pedophilia and he took all of those homeless members into his nude beach group when he opened.
I remember that thread. That's the one where you insisted that kids weren't allowed in RL nudist camps and that the cops would bust RL nudists if kids showed up, and you didn't even have the bloody grace to apologize when offended RL nudists showed up in the discussion and totally debunked everything you wrote.

And... it turned out that the assertions you are making in this paragraph were fabricated. Your lies in the previous thread are still archived for anyone with the stomach to look them up.
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Patasha Marikh
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09-25-2009 02:36
I would just like to take a moment to congratulate Dakota on one of the most successful Troll-bait threads in recent memory. Who would have thunk it, that a 'controversial' post, that was self-admittedly not controversial at all, would turn out to have a certain reality challenged individual twisted around the axle to the point that I can hear their gnashing of teeth as said poster tries to dig out of yet another hole of lies, half-truths and hate-mongering.

Well done Dakota, you played it as a master.
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09-25-2009 02:40
From: Argent Stonecutter
:eek:
I remember that thread. That's the one where you insisted that kids weren't allowed in RL nudist camps and that the cops would bust RL nudists if kids showed up, and you didn't even have the bloody grace to apologize when offended RL nudists showed up in the discussion and totally debunked everything you wrote.

And... it turned out that the assertions you are making in this paragraph were fabricated. Your lies in the previous thread are still archived for anyone with the stomach to look them up.

That thread was good for one thing though: It showed that as soon as Lias sees nude children, she thinks about sex. What would that say about her, I wonder... :D
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