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Dick McMinnar
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09-24-2009 16:17
From: Lias Leandros
It is a picture of a young child with a BDSM ball gag in her mouth. It is innaproppriate. White wash cannot cover up that image.

I said none of you see anything innapropriate with that image at all. This goes to show the mindset of people unaware of what the phrase 'broadly offensive' is referring to.

and your going to Have to start admitting the obvious.

Actually she looks remarkably like a woman I worked with several years ago in a pizza place. She was under 5 feet in height, red headed and if I didn't know better, I'd think she was Immys typist due to a hefty dose of Redheaded Attitude. She was also in her early 20's at the time I met her.

I wouldn't have minded gagging her several time, but I think a ring gag would suit better.

Sorry Lias, that can't be a picture of a child if it reminds me of an adult.

(I have to wonder if she's around in SL... Perhaps a blast from the past will get her attention?

"You think *that's* disgusting? Watch this!";)
Lias Leandros
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09-24-2009 16:21
A person used an expired Driver's License from 1999 that did not belong to them to adult verify. Adult Verification just gets you into adult areas - it does not track your RL identity in case you start to pedo play while masquerading as a small child.
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09-24-2009 16:24
From: Dick McMinnar
Actually she looks remarkably like a woman I worked with several years ago in a pizza place. She was under 5 feet in height, red headed and if I didn't know better, I'd think she was Immys typist due to a hefty dose of Redheaded Attitude. She was also in her early 20's at the time I met her.
She worked in a pizza place with a ball gag in her mouth? Who owned the pizzeria, a Gorean Master?
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Sorry Lias, that can't be a picture of a child if it reminds me of an adult.
It is a child in an sexualized adult situation.
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09-24-2009 16:27
From: Gavin Hird
Try to explain it like that to the law enforcement officers, judges, politicians and media, and see how they agree with you. Good luck on that.

"If you are in doubt as to whether an activity may be interpreted as ageplay, we request you err on the side of caution and desist. Please note that some countries’ laws may impose penalties for graphics, drawings or anime that resemble child pornography, even where no children have been involved."
If she is representing an avatar at or above the legal age of majority, then neither law enforcement, nor judges, nor politicians, nor even the media, have a damned thing to say about it.

And resorting to repeating mantras in every single one of your posts as the sole premise for your arguments excludes you from my list of reasonable-minded people with whom I can enjoy a civil debate, and lands you in the "has had one cup of Kool-Aid too many" category.
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Dick McMinnar
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09-24-2009 16:29
From: Lias Leandros
No it is not.

You're absolutely insane aren't you?
Dick McMinnar
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09-24-2009 16:31
From: Lias Leandros
She worked in a pizza place with a ball gag in her mouth? Who owned the pizzeria, a Gorean Master?

You might read what I posted again. and again. and again.

From: Lias Leandros
It is a child in an sexualized adult situation.

Liar.
Imnotgoing Sideways
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09-24-2009 16:31
From: Lias Leandros
From: someone


The thread is about Child Avatars ending up in inappropriate areas when a sim crashes - and what constitutes inappropriate.

The top picture is of a different avatar with different hair and clothes and shape - a small child with a sex toy in her mouth. The bottom avatar is of your teen avatar. The two are not the same. And the top picture is not considered PG - because of the sex toy in the child's mouth.
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Several pages ago I wrote:

You responded:
You agreed the image is inappropriate and and now you say it is appropriate and PG rated.
Which, of course, it is not.
Same skin, same shape; different hair, clothes, and lighting... You know SL has dynamic lights, right? The picture below was me teaching my flexi and lights class. (^_^)

And, I agreed to nothing. I said "Maybe". To expand... "Maybe in your distorted view of the world, but, not mine." But, I felt as though the prior response wasn't worth all the typing. Plus, with your habit of half-reading everything, I've been deciding to minimize words once in a while. (^_^)

Oh, and hey! You lack just as much common decency as I do... Let's go on a date and lack common decency somewhere together some day. We can put a tea table between the penises in Mosh and have a hoot. (^_^)y
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Dick McMinnar
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09-24-2009 16:34
From: Lias Leandros
I do not agree. Verification means nothing at all except you can access adult content.

You are wrong.
Ciaran Laval
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09-24-2009 16:37
From: Lias Leandros
A person used an expired Driver's License from 1999 that did not belong to them to adult verify. Adult Verification just gets you into adult areas - it does not track your RL identity in case you start to pedo play while masquerading as a small child.


The system isn't perfect agreed, but the vast majority of people who are verified are verified using their real details.
Imnotgoing Sideways
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09-24-2009 16:38
From: Dick McMinnar
...a hefty dose of Redheaded Attitude...
=^-^=
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Katheryne Helendale
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09-24-2009 16:40
From: Lias Leandros
Immy it is inappropriate - and crude to include it n a thread about child avatars. But you cannot begin to comprehend that.
If you feel the picture was not appropriate for this forum, then by all means, report it.

I bet you did that already. And seeing as how it has not been removed, it would appear you stand alone in your thoughts of the appropriateness of the picture.

Which is lucky for you, actually; for you see, had the picture actually have been a violation, you would have been sanctioned for quoting it and thus including it in your posts.

Have a nice day.
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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09-24-2009 16:42
From: Katheryne Helendale
If you feel the picture was not appropriate for this forum, then by all means, report it.

I bet you did that already. And seeing as how it has not been removed, it would appear you stand alone in your thoughts of the appropriateness of the picture.

Which is lucky for you, actually; for you see, had the picture actually have been a violation, you would have been sanctioned for quoting it and thus including it in your posts.

Have a nice day.
Actually... She, in her lack of Common Decency©®™, has been reposting it more than I have. =^-^=

Next thing you know... She'll provide a link to that Flikr image if me walking between the penises as "proof" of something again. Proof of what? We'll never know. (^_^)y
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Ceka Cianci
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09-24-2009 16:43
From: Katheryne Helendale
True.

Now, can you please point me to the part in the CS, the ToS, or any official or semi-official statement from any Linden stating that no other content but that which is defined as Adult Content is allowed to be placed in Zindra or any other adult-flagged region?

actually thats not true

this is the part that was left off of the definition in that quote..

The Adult designation applies to Second Life® Regions that "HOST"conduct or "DISPLAY" content that is sexually explicit or intensely violent, or depicts illicit drug use.

take those two words Host and Display out and ya it it changes the whole definition ;)

but also to answer your question..you won't find anything that says mature or pg rated stuff cannot be on an adult rated land.. :)
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Lias Leandros
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09-24-2009 16:49
From: Katheryne Helendale
If you feel the picture was not appropriate for this forum, then by all means, report it.
And comment on it as I have done. The picture itself illustrated how completely disconnected child avatar apologists are from what is considered broadly offensive.

Their wild defense of the image was used to protect their argument that they can do anything they want except have sex and it is not disturbing to anyone. This proved they will never make any concessions about anything unless it is forced upon them.

When you keep pushing the envelope to see what you can get away with before someone yells foul you usually end up over the edge.
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09-24-2009 16:50
From: Gavin Hird
Why don't you take a look at what is going on in your viewer's cache directory. You find the location in the Network tab under Preferences.
I have. And I have dissected what I could from them. And there is absolutely *nothing* in there that could possibly be reconstructed to incriminate anyone.

On the other hand, anyone who sells sounds for a SL living should be very, very concerned. :rolleyes:
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09-24-2009 16:54
From: Gavin Hird
All the evidence in Gavin's example came from the concerned male in the virtual family as he was no longer comfortable with the situation. It was a REAL incident and he approached me for help. It was reported – accounts were removed by the g-team.
Well, good! So the system works! What's the problem?

Oh... and referring to yourself in the third person? Kinda creepy, IMO.
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09-24-2009 16:58
From: Lias Leandros
And comment on it as I have done. The picture itself illustrated how completely disconnected child avatar apologists are from what is considered broadly offensive.
I don't think it's appropriate for this forum, whether it's depicting a child or an adult wearing a ballgag. Saying "that's not a child" is not saying "that's an appropriate image", it's just saying "that's not a child".
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09-24-2009 17:05
From: Gavin Hird
From: Kara Spengler
Third person? I smell an alt.

Kara, it is about time you smell reality.
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Dick McMinnar
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09-24-2009 17:05
From: Argent Stonecutter
I don't think it's appropriate for this forum, whether it's depicting a child or an adult wearing a ballgag. Saying "that's not a child" is not saying "that's an appropriate image", it's just saying "that's not a child".

Liar doesn't think it's appropriate either, yet she keeps reposting it oer and oer again.

Face it, she's batshit crazy.
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09-24-2009 17:08
From: Lias Leandros
...Their wild defense...
As a fine example of your half-reading of things and agenda driven bias... Nobody ACTUALLY defended the image. Nearly ALL the repsonses from people were all stating that my avatar is not a child while you continued to insist that it is. (=_=)

From: Lias Leandros
...a small child with a sex toy in her mouth. The bottom avatar is of your teen avatar. The two are not the same. And the top picture is not considered PG - because of the sex toy in the child's mouth...
See? You're getting it wrong again. (^_^)y
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09-24-2009 17:12
From: Lias Leandros
The bottom picture is of your teen avatar and I said I liked that one and it could be used as a avatar for the 13 year olds that are in the teen grid in SL.

The one on the top is a different avatar (and you have presented that picture before a few months ago) And that is clearly a younger avatar with BDSM gag ball in her mouth. And that is broadly offensive. Yet you choose to make a statement with it in a PG Public forum.

This stance from child avatars is one of contempt for common decency and it is unacceptable.


From a face shot how do you determine that it is clearing a child? You can not see any of the sexual identifiers to show that it is pre or post pubesent, or even tell height. I am sooo glad that you never are the ID checker at the local liquor store, else I would never be able to buy my whiskey and wine coolers!
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09-24-2009 17:15
From: Lias Leandros
She worked in a pizza place with a ball gag in her mouth? Who owned the pizzeria, a Gorean Master?


Given what your SL business is I am sure you are going to get some interesting answers! :)
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09-24-2009 17:26
Baby Ball Gags..

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09-24-2009 17:30
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
Nobody ACTUALLY defended the image.
That is a relief. It was beginning to look like more people than you did not know where to draw the line at broadly offensive.
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Ceka Cianci
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09-24-2009 17:37
it's cause we know she is 18..remember they could be in a 10 foot tall avatar and still be a child avatar if their profile rp's them as a giant child avatar hehehehe

she is a petite adult..same difference..

i'm 4'10 in rl
i tried to use that size in here and i couldn't get my avatar that small..maybe my thingy wasn't telling me the right size..i gave up anyways..lol
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