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Imnotgoing Sideways
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09-24-2009 15:18
Oh, and ballgags are NOT my fetish. That was a genuine effort by my mistress so silence me after I spent an entire week badmouthing myself (>_<;)

If I were posting ~my~ fetish, it would be a picture of me in a Japanese gym uniform wandering around Hentai High... Which did get relocated to Zindra, by the way. (^_^)y
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Chris Norse
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09-24-2009 15:19
From: Lias Leandros
To even depict a 18 year old in such a image is offensive.
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So are 18 year olds adults or not? If they are, how is it offensive?
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09-24-2009 15:19
From: Lias Leandros
She did change - into her 'barely legal;' teen skin and shape she made. But the ball gag picture is of a younger avatar - and is offensive.
It's the same avatar, just different clothes.
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Lias Leandros
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09-24-2009 15:20
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
Oh, and ballgags are NOT my fetish. That was a genuine effort by my mistress so silence me after I spent an entire week badmouthing myself (>_<;)
absolutely no one cares what your doing in your bedroom. The pictures posted in a PG forum in a thread about child avatars is inappropriate.
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Jojogirl Bailey
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09-24-2009 15:20
lias...ive been asking and asking for this evidence of pedophilia in sl that you are basing much of comments on and yet you refuse to provide any. i think many of us here might be open to learning about this and could possibly change our minds if you could actually produce any...i know that is the case for me.

i have no vested interest in supporting child avs...i dont have one, i am not one, and i dont really hang out with any and rarely even come in contact with any. but it does trouble me to have any group maligned with what appears to be no evidence at all of these sexual situations.

i find it amusing that you keep calling everyone else in this thread an apologist when, for the most part, im seeing people just not into what appears to be a nasty form of prejudice no matter which group it might be against.

still...every time you answer the concerns with flip comments instead of facts and evidence, you just convince people more and more that this is a personal vendetta.
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Milla Janick
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09-24-2009 15:21
From: Lias Leandros
And yet you keep commenting over and over again. You certainly have alot to say to refute a non-issue.

When people are advocating censorship, yeah I have a lot to say.
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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09-24-2009 15:21
From: Argent Stonecutter
It's the same avatar, just different clothes.
Confirmed. (^_^)y
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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09-24-2009 15:23
From: Lias Leandros
absolutely no one cares what your doing in your bedroom. The pictures posted in a PG forum in a thread about child avatars is inappropriate.
It's a PG picture and the thread is about Zindra. (^_^)y
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Katheryne Helendale
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09-24-2009 15:24
From: Bear Jharls
Way back when, LL said they would invite discussion on this and they would take on board resident feedback. But they never changed their definition of Adult Content from what was initially presented in writing. In all of the subsequent chatter from individual Lindens and residents alike, the written definition of Adult Content has never changed. Adult Content as far as SL goes, is content of an Extreme Sexual or Violent nature. And it is also stated in writing by LL that Adult Content must only be on Adult-rated land.

True.

Now, can you please point me to the part in the CS, the ToS, or any official or semi-official statement from any Linden stating that no other content but that which is defined as Adult Content is allowed to be placed in Zindra or any other adult-flagged region?
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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09-24-2009 15:37
On a side note... I'm at work and my boss is laughing her head off at some of the posts in this thread. (^_^)y
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Lias Leandros
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09-24-2009 15:40
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
It's a PG picture and the thread is about Zindra. (^_^)y



[/QUOTE]The thread is about Child Avatars ending up in inappropriate areas when a sim crashes - and what constitutes inappropriate.

The top picture is of a different avatar with different hair and clothes and shape - a small child with a sex toy in her mouth. The bottom avatar is of your teen avatar. The two are not the same. And the top picture is not considered PG - because of the sex toy in the child's mouth.
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Several pages ago I wrote:
From: Lias
Why is this relevant in a thread about child avatars?

I harbor no ill-will toward you - but it is sad that you refuse to acknowledge or do not understand that injecting such an image in a conversation about child avatars and children is just wrong.

You have your fetishes - but to thrust them in the faces of people for lolz is inappropriate.

You responded:
From: Immy
Maybe not.
You agreed the image is inappropriate and and now you say it is appropriate and PG rated.
Which, of course, it is not.
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09-24-2009 15:43
Maybe Brenda can loan Immy some of her duct tape.
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09-24-2009 15:51
An image can be inappropriate and PG rated at the same time, troll.
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09-24-2009 15:52
From: Milla Janick
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09-24-2009 15:57
From: Lias Leandros
The thread is about Child Avatars ending up in inappropriate areas when a sim crashes - and what constitutes inappropriate.
And will someone please, please, please tell me what is inappropriate about the Infohubs at Ortiz or Arapaima?

This is the bit I don't understand. If, as a result of a sim crash, child avatars (or anyone else) were suddenly to find themselves involuntarily logged in at Lias' sushi bar or my Zindra furniture shop, I could see the problem. But I genuinely don't see what's so bad about them fetching up at Arapaima as opposed to any other Infohub. Arapaima is in the middle of the ocean and there's no adult content anywhere near Ortiz, at least none that I could see when I took a quick look at the place yesterday.
Lias Leandros
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09-24-2009 16:07
There is no reason for child avatar wearers to adult verify and risk being thrown into an adult area that does have adult content visible or on the parcel itself.
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09-24-2009 16:07
From: Abigail Merlin
don't forget explicit violense that lia(r)s keeps ignoring, a guilatine is already adult, especialy the kind that sprays blood and makes a head roll
Somthing tells me Halloween in SL is going to be horribly boring.... Unless everybody age-verifies and musters over to the nearest Adult-rated sim for the finest in Halloween ghoulishness!

I wonder.... Is shooting zombies with a damage-causing Twinkie gun outside of an Adult-flagged region now against the CS?
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09-24-2009 16:08
From: Lias Leandros
There is no reason for child avatar wearers to adult verify and risk being thrown into an adult area that does have adult content visible or on the parcel itself.

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09-24-2009 16:09
From: Lias Leandros
There is no reason for child avatar wearers to adult verify and risk being thrown into an adult area that does have adult content visible or on the parcel itself.


A verified child avatar wearer is less likely to be upto no good precisely because they are verified.
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09-24-2009 16:10
I do not agree. Verification means nothing at all except you can access adult content.
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09-24-2009 16:11
From: Lias Leandros
I do not agree. Verification means nothing at all except you can access adult content.


It ties one to their actions and has a trail of accountability.
Jojogirl Bailey
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09-24-2009 16:12
didnt we already go over that it means more than that???? pay attention lias
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09-24-2009 16:12
From: Lias Leandros
I do not agree. Verification means nothing at all except you can access adult content.

Putting payment information on file is verification. Everyone who has ever bought L$ through the viewer is verified.
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09-24-2009 16:13
From: Lias Leandros
There is no reason for child avatar wearers to adult verify and risk being thrown into an adult area that does have adult content visible or on the parcel itself.
And how could that happen as a result of someone being logged in at Ortiz or Arapaima? You did say,
From: Lias Leandros

The thread is about Child Avatars ending up in inappropriate areas when a sim crashes - and what constitutes inappropriate.
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09-24-2009 16:13
From: Bear Jharls
Its not Commerce AND Public. Commerce on its own is enough. As is Public on its own.

Certainly for commercial providers in most cases, adult content and activities are necessarily both Commercial and Public. For the rest of us commerce doesn't come into it and we are bound only by the public aspect of the policy. If we have a private sim to which we can restrict public access then we can pretty much continue as we always have, but on shared sims, mainland for instance, we have to be mindful of the neighbors.

Edit: I read your other post after I wrote the above. I know what you're saying. And hopefully I have clarified the matter as it affects me. Not being a commercial provider.

we are not bound by the public aspect until we promote what we are doing i our homes to pubic..the public promotion deals with the advertising of the content..
the adult definitions are not aimed at the public they are aimed at commerce..
all the adult rating is for is commercial..for places like free sex clubs or businesses that wish to sell to the public or places that want to rp say Gore stuf or whatever..

the whole move was about commerce..it had nothing to do with residents having orgy balls in their houses or bukakkee stuff or operating tables..

i could live on a 512 plot and have my friend come over and we could have a gore party or orgy or slash each other to bits.it would still be mature rated if it were not promoted and behind closed doors..


private use is on any pivate land even in a shared sim or private region on the grid that is in mature..if they cam into your house your content or activities are still not anything more than mature..
you cannot get AR'd for something you have behind closed walls that is for your private use..
unless ofcaurse it is against the TOS like child sexual age play would be..

but as far as there being items that are made and that item being rated only adult rating? thats not how the rating system works..that item can be rated mature or adult..there is no such thing as an actual adult item that can never be mature item.. or content for that matter ;)

catches her breath lol :D
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