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Innula Zenovka
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09-24-2009 18:47
From: Lias Leandros
Some noob wanders over to you and types "hi! I am 14 years old and I made a avatar to try out Second Life". You include their admittance in the underage AR.

If a adult is dressed up like a small child and admits that they are RPing as a child (when a ban on this activity is put in place) Then you could include that admittance in the AR.

I think the usual English word is admission.

So we're now agreed Immy is an adult avatar? Since she keeps on telling us she's 18. Good. Glad that's sorted out.
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09-24-2009 18:50
so there is an admission rule??? we are mandated to AR folks? hmmmm.....

oops sorry...addressed in a different thread lol.
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09-24-2009 18:52
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Its all academic.

LL has repeatedly supported kid AVs existence.
No they haven't. Remember the child avatar ban of SL5B and then of course the CS sanctions in effect right now. That does not translate into much support.
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09-24-2009 18:56
From: Innula Zenovka
I think the usual English word is admission.

So we're now agreed Immy is an adult avatar? Since she keeps on telling us she's 18. Good. Glad that's sorted out.
No. I am not agreeing with nonsense. She changed her avatar from the small child one to the teen one. But the small child one was the one with the sex toy in its mouth. Hope that clears that up finally.
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09-24-2009 18:57
From: Lias Leandros
No they haven't. Remember the child avatar ban of SL5B and then of course the CS sanctions in effect right now. That does not translate into much support.


I suck and finding stuff from ancient history so maybe someone can find the stuff from back then. But I distinctly remember several Lindens specifically saying there was nothing wrong about kid AVs.

regardless of that one person yelling thier heads off in an ignored forum is not going to get them banned.

If you are soo bloody serious it LL you need to be making your case to not us.
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09-24-2009 18:58
From: Lias Leandros
then of course the CS sanctions in effect right now


What are these sanctions of which you speak?

A few people were involved in ageplay at one time. LL gave them the boot and said that was not acceptable. The rest of the child avatar was not interested in ageplay anyway so was not troubled at all by the rule.

A sanction is something enforced as a punitive measure. You are talking about a rule which the targeted population had no intention of breaking anyway.
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09-24-2009 18:59
From: Darkness Anubis
If you are soo bloody serious it LL you need to be making your case to not us.


Darkness - now cut and paste that in all the threads about Linden Lab policy currently active in this forum. I am sure your 'suggestion' would be greeted with the same amount of enthusiasm as it is here.
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09-24-2009 19:02
From: Lias Leandros
Darkness - now cut and paste that in all the threads about Linden Lab policy currently active in this forum. I am sure your 'suggestion' would be greeted with the same amount of enthusiasm as it is here.


You are the only one I see complaining.
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09-24-2009 19:04
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A sanction is something enforced as a punitive measure. You are talking about a rule which the targeted population had no intention of breaking anyway.
Silly.
LL targeted a rule to one specific population because they do not break that rule. Yeah, OK.

And the rule that no one breaks was broken on Sept 18th because (according to Immy) the rule is not made available for the pedo players to see so they did not know it was a rule.

And around and around we go.
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09-24-2009 19:05
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You are the only one I see complaining.
I know you suck at searching - but keep trying. You can stop all of the thread complaints with one post.
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09-24-2009 19:06
From: Lias Leandros
I know you suck at searching - but keep trying. You can stop all of the thread complaints with one post.


now if that aint the pot calling the kettle black given how many people have repeatedly asked you for proofs.

In Any case I am off for the night feel free to keep going in useless circles folks.
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09-24-2009 19:11
I may not like what someone is saying but I will never insist that they stop talking and sharing information. We all have the right to do that at least.
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09-24-2009 19:12
please share the evidence you have of pedophilia in sl and its imminent threat...oh yeah...there isnt any....
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09-24-2009 19:19
From: Lias Leandros
And the rule that no one breaks was broken on Sept 18th because (according to Immy) the rule is not made available for the pedo players to see so they did not know it was a rule.

The resident who broke the rule in that case was using an adult avatar.
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09-24-2009 19:19
Gavin presented the information from his AR on the 18th. But you say there is no such thing - and you have been saying that for 20 pages - yet you keep discussing something you say does not exist.
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09-24-2009 19:21
From: Milla Janick
The resident who broke the rule in that case was using an adult avatar.
Evidence of pedophilia is evidence of pedophilia Milla.
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09-24-2009 19:23
one incident that i saw posted on a forum does not imply a rampant threat. so we really know with RL info that the person who said they were under age really was in that case?

lias i just keep asking for the info...and you refuse to provide...so therefore, i have to assume that you have no basis in fact for your allegations.

if you do, please share your wealth of info...and for most people one incident related by one person would NOT constitute a wealth of info.

and yes, i will just keep asking...i figure it cant hurt...maybe someone out there will actually answer my questions which you refuse to do.
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09-24-2009 19:24
From: Lias Leandros
She did change - into her 'barely legal;' teen skin and shape she made. But the ball gag picture is of a younger avatar - and is offensive. To even depict a 18 year old in such a image is offensive.
Last time I checked, 18 is adult. Get over yourself.
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Aging up after you post the picture of the child with the sex toy in her mouth defeats the purpose of aging up, Kat.
Child? What child? There is nothing here but windmills and the occasional lizard!
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09-24-2009 19:24
"Evidence of pedophilia is evidence of pedophilia Milla."

where is this evidence??? what is this evidence???
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09-24-2009 19:27
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Last time I checked, 18 is adult. Get over yourself.Child? What child? There is nothing here but windmills and the occasional lizard!
When adults feel images posted in a PG Forum are broadly offensive - you just behave like a 'child' and tell them to get over it.
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09-24-2009 19:31
From: Lias Leandros
Evidence of pedophilia is evidence of pedophilia Milla.

There is absolutely no evidence of pedophilia in that example. A solicitation for sexual ageplay was made and declined. Nothing happened.

The only wrongdoing that can be attributed to the resident with the child avatar is that they were underage and should have been on the Teen Grid.

So far you have presented absolutely no evidence that sexual ageplay is a problem to ANY degree on the grid, muchless a widespread problem. NONE.

If there is evidence that it is a still an issue and Linden Lab needs to reexamine the policy disallowing ageplay, please present it.

In the absence of such evidence, the only conclusion an objective observer can draw is that the current policy is working.
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09-24-2009 19:33
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"Evidence of pedophilia is evidence of pedophilia Milla."

where is this evidence??? what is this evidence???
JoJo it is obviously it is still invisible to you. No one can make you see what Gavin reported if you do not want to. There is nothing more anyone can say to you concerning pedophilia on SL. You are secure with your belief that is does not exist. Wonderful for you.
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09-24-2009 19:37
From: Lias Leandros
JoJo it is obviously it is still invisible to you. No one can make you see what Gavin reported if you do not want to. There is nothing more anyone can say to you concerning pedophilia on SL. You are secure with your belief that is does not exist. Wonderful for you.


With over 100,000 people in SL, yes there are going to be some pedeos in the population. But statistically, it doesn't happen. One case does not prove anything.
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09-24-2009 19:39
From: Milla Janick
There is absolutely no evidence of pedophilia in that example. A solicitation for sexual ageplay was made and declined. Nothing happened.
Requesting sex from a virtual child is a request to engage in virtual pedophilia.
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The only wrongdoing that can be attributed to the resident with the child avatar is that they were underage and should have been on the Teen Grid.
You cannot have virtual pedophilia without a virtual child.
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So far you have presented absolutely no evidence that sexual ageplay is a problem to ANY degree on the grid, muchless a widespread problem. NONE.
Linden Lab removes all ARs on pedophilia from the police blotter before it is published for public scrutiny. To LL this sort of thing is the worst activity they can admit to harboring.
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If there is evidence that it is a still an issue and Linden Lab needs to reexamine the policy disallowing ageplay, please present it.
Linden Lab has hundreds of reports of virtual pedo play (ageplay is a BDSM term and has nothing to do with pedophilia).
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In the absence of such evidence, the only conclusion an objective observer can draw is that the current policy is working.
Immy said the policy failed on the 18th because the pedophile was not aware of the policy. Ignorance IS a defense.
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09-24-2009 19:40
lias...there are quite a number of folks in this thread who have also asked you for any additional and real evidence you have...it is not my inability to understand a second hand description of an event here that is at issue...it is your refusal to provide anyone here ANY information of a concrete nature...no real life data, no sl data, no other witnesses, no other incidents, and on and on.

you must think people in these forums are stupid or that they are sheep, but everyone here thinks for themselves. in rl i would also not take the word of one person about an incident that they did not participate in as gospel. if you do, then i question your ability to discern fact from heresay. if you base your beliefs on one incident of heresay, then you are in fact the one who refuses to use reasonable logic to make your decisions.

again, if you HAVE any other information, for ALL of us who have been asking, please share. if you again refuse then i conclude you have no concrete data on which to base you allegations. the ball is in your court lias...put up or...

you mention hundreds of AR's etc...WHERE IS THE DATA>>>
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