Face Light

Rha, this was never meant to be an, "omg, facelights are the best thing evah and you're all fools if you don't have one!" type of thread. The OP asked for recommendations, I made a suggestion, and someone else (not you) came along and said, basically, facelights are bad. Things veered off course from there. I don't expect other people to use facelights if they don't like them, I just object being told that *I* should stop wearing mine because they don't like it.

this has been talked to death numerous times, and nobody has yet changed my opinion:
i hate your facelights!
in defence of facelights
if you dislike my noselamp, disable local lights

Yeap!

the thing is you object to being told you "can't" use a face light, and others object to facelights being used
both object for the same reason, freedom to see and do things on SL
your facelight might interfere with someone's experience, and your experience is enhanced by a facelight

if we had an option to show attached local lights, or not, it would not be an issue


when I posted my reply you were the one to jump on it real quickly, I have a feeling if you had replied with a simple, nice thanks, good to know there are other options... none of the rest of this whole sordid debate would have happened

(then again I could be wrong, maybe it was a debate just waiting to happen)

as I said I do not care if you or anyone wears a facelight, as I do not use local lighting anymore...
what I do care about is when I offer another option to someone and it basically being pushed aside because it is "too difficult or too complicated" when in fact it is very easy
ask anyone of the folks who have come to me to see how it is done, or the number of folks getting the notecard from the dispenser...

it is not hard, sure you need a client to do it, which majority of the new users will be using default client (since newbies will not be aware of the 3rd party stuff yet)

*sigh*

I give up

very easy. beautiful results. thank you Rha.

i still need my facelight studio for photography of furniture, however. but mostly, it handles everything else nicely. thanks so much for the notecard. i had no idea those sliders were even there.

I still fail to see how this was 'jumping' on anything, let alone the instigator of this debate:




Referring to putting a facelight on as 'trouble' puzzled me, especially since, as I've said, the Advanced settings are not so easy for newer Residents to figure out if they don't have someone to help them. The local lighting caution didn't make much sense to me either, given that environment settings are also client-specific.

You may have meant to present it simply as an option, but it came across as "This is the far better choice," which I obviously don't agree with...it may very well be better for YOU, but other people will have other preferences.

Now, if you'd actually said something like, "Another option to consider is..." rather than painting facelights as 'troublesome,' maybe none of the rest of this whole sordid debate would have happened.

Here's some funny logic.

"If you don't like it, turn off local lighting." Which leaves us to view your av with all the shadows your facelight is supposed to defeat. If you care so much about how your av looks to others what difference did that just make?

If what ultimately matters is how you look in your viewer, it has been shown that you can fix it in your viewer.

I never said that. And, of course, if you turn local lighting off, you won't see the precious careful lighting on builds either, so taking a couple of steps away from the light bearer seems more sensible to me.

You're not the one who said it, Ann, but it has been said. I wasn't addressing you, but addressing the logic of that statement. If facelighters care that much about how others see them, then telling people to turn off local lighting isn't a solution.

As for the stepping away - well, if I'm at a concert, I often can't. And yet this happens all the time. Someone or two or three has a light on and I stop focusing on the experience, my eyes get drawn to the light and all the shadows cast every time the avatar moves its head. I'm not going to leave or destroy the build's effects because of someone else's light.

Meh, they shouldn't have them on at concerts or attractions meant to be viewed in the dark. The only suggestion I can make is to IM the offender and/or whoever is running the event to see if they'll shut it off.

my save yourself the trouble comment was meant as save yourself the trouble of trying to find one when there is another option that will not impede on another person's experience of SL

and yeah I have to agree, that comment about turn off the local lighting just doesn't make sense if the person is using the facelight for our benefit...
(which is the impression I am getting from just about every pro facelight user, they are doing it for us)

I will be the first to admit, I do the settings I use for me, not for anyone else

3ring you are very welcome
let me know if there was anything that should be added to the card

I think the best solution would be an option for show local lighting attached to an avatar (or not show it)

so we would have moon and sun
local lighting (would not show lights attached to avatars. only unattached lights)
attached to avatar local lighting )would show all lights, attached and unattached)

The proposed radius penalty will handle that.

I'm the little washed out white blot on the far left in the distance... you can keep on finding excuses but you're not going to convince me that a whole room full of people should look like bleached out ghosts just because some people are so vain that they *need* to prance around with facelights and be eyesores to everyone else.

I could barely stand to stick around long enough to take that picture, it just made my eyes water having to put up with that.

Minor annoyance .

it means that if my noselamp is so offensive to you then turn off local lights, because i flat out refuse to take off my noselamp to suit you or anybody else.

that pic above is hardly representative of a noselamp

Unless you are a Diesel Locomotive or perhaps a 767

Locomotives aren't that bright

Yeah, this is my uber-evil facelight at night while there's still a sliver of sun on the horizon:



zomg, my retinas!

OMG turn it off. it's TOO bright. /me puts on welding helmet.

Neither are you at times...what's your point?

*Inside voice, inside voice*

i found a new use for a facelight.

extend as far away from your face as possible. i think the limit is 10m.

you'll get a soft glow on your whole front side, and everywhere you go will light up like you're shining a flashlight! theoretically, you could have tons and tons of them extending from all sides of you (well, more than 6 would be useless), and light up the whole place as you walk by. that should totally please the masses.

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We already knew that. But if you didn't want to look like a hag, which is supposedly the point of these things, you failed.

because one person on the grid disabled local lights?
not at all.

here i am, lighting up the entire sim with my noselamp