Face Light

why do you assume the "profacelighters" are upset? can't we feel just as strongly for them as many of you feel against them? i cannot speak for others, but i'm not upset.
but i will continue to wear my facelight. just sayin........

im not new to sl, thanks.
ill keep my noselamp anyway, ta.

never said you are upset

sorry if by saying profacelighters seemed to be painting with a broad brush

let me rephrase

some profacelighters seem to be getting upset

as for me... I am not upset either, as I said I am happy with the way my SL looks

Well your advice was meant to be helpful and Im grateful for it. I just don't think the logic is very sound in saying that because some people won't see your facelight due to not having local lighting enabled that its completely useless if you intend for other people to see them. Its the only way we have of other people seeing our intended lighting accent. We've been over this so many times, there is absolutely no point in changing the viewer settings if you are trying to project a certain lighting accent.

I would continue to wear the facelight if people had the option of choosing to see attached lighting, I think maybe this would be a good idea so that those who are feel so strongly about facelights would have a way of dealing with it rather than criticizing those who choose to wear them.

The reason I wear makeup is to project a certain look to others, this is how it makes me feel better about myself. So yes ultimately it is done for my own satisfaction, derived from knowing that I am being seen in the best possible "light" by other people. Would I wear makeup at a blind person's convention? Probably would but this is because there are bound to be people who can see me on the way there! I wash my face before I go to sleep and generally would never put makeup on when I am just being lazy and hanging around the house. But I put it on when I want to be sure to present the best look I have in my arsenal to anybody that I happen to come across. I am grateful that people don't have such strong opinions about makeup wearers in real life, if I had to defend myself on my reasoning for this it would be very frustrating.

I would be inclined to play with my viewer setting as you suggested, but I am afraid this would make it harder for me to tell how other people are actually seeing me rather than help in this regard.

now if you only didn't sound so, whats the word..smug?

if you were truly happy with your secondlife, this woud not be an issue. the very fact that this thread has gone this long proves that you aren't. you been hangin out with the lindens too long. you're starting to sound like them.

I wouldn't say I'm upset about the great facelight debate, but *if* those of us who like them sometimes get a bit grumpy, it's because the commentary often seems to boil down to something like this:

"My facelight makes my av look better to me."
"Gee, you're kinda dumb and inconsiderate for not just using the environmental lighting settings."

It can't just be a preference...no, the implied insult has to be worked in there.

And, you know, the issue of people not having local lighting on, and therefore not seeing our avs as we intend, is pretty much irrelevant. I mean, just because you turned up your ambient setting doesn't mean anyone else necessarily has, so they're not going to see your av as you do either...we're all in the same boat in that regard.

I'm telling Cris.

Gee, you're kinda dumb and inconsiderate. (^_^)y

What's a facelight?

Wow! I want one!!!

Does anybody know where I can get a good facelight?


/me runs and hides

the issue was that I felt I was being poopoo'd for my suggesting another method of lighting, not to do with facelights, that became a whole nother ball

as for sounding smug, you are putting things into my post that are not there

(just as I did with ann's read more into it than there was)

I have been hanging out with lindens too long???
where the heck did that come from?
majority of the time I am on my land, alone, pushing prims around, or in photoshop pushing pixels around, or doing my customer support job on avatar island...
not sure why you would say I have been hanging around with lindens too long
Yes I do admit I do hang out with some lindens, usually when they are on their resident account, but not as often as I would like, as they are good friends.
Just like any of my friends, never enough time

and I have stated that I do not care if ppl see my avatar as I see her
facelight users have stated that they do care (therein lies the difference)

and I am sorry if my posts have lead anyone to think I am calling them dumb for using a facelight, people have their reasons

all I wanted to do was let people know that there ARE other options (that may or may not work for them, it obviously works for some)

I am soooo tempted to make that LOL a lightbulb facelight that actually puts off a ton of light and is worn in the mouth LOL
(but I won't, but I am sure someone will)

heh

I was gonna do one at lunch

Generalization. How other people see my av is not my main priority nor, would I guess, is it Nina's or a number of other people's. And there are Residents using the environmental settings who DO care whether people are seeing their avs the way they see them, which still leaves us with neither method being particularly efficient for that purpose.

The 'dumb' comment wasn't specifically aimed at you, that just frequently seems to be the undertone with these sorts of debates. Although, when you mentioned 'educating' facelight users, I did feel a little prickly about that.

sorry if it offended you, I did not imply they were stupid, just not aware of the option, THAT is educating

hell I am educated on many many many things throughout the day, both in SL and RL

I do not get offended by anyone offering to educate me on anything, and if I already know I will tell them

*shrug*

You honestly don't see how someone might interpret this negatively?

Oh noes! The evil facelight users are out to destroy other people's enjoyment of SL, while the poor long-suffering environmental settings crowd is only trying to educate the ignorant fools and make the metaverse a better place for everyone!

I get that you (general you, not Rha you) don't like facelights and that's fine...I'm not attempting to convert anyone. It would just be nice if the reverse were true.

no I honestly do not see my comments as negative

as far as converting, not trying to do that, just trying to help, which according to the amount of folks grabbing the notecard for the environment settings, seems to be helping somewhat

*shrug*

people will choose to do what they want, what the heck is wrong with giving someone more options?
ok so maybe someone will not want to use the settings for everyday use and would prefer to stick with a facelight, but hey, it might be perfect for those photo shoots they do, therefor I just HELPED someone and did not CONVERT them... and I happy? you betcha!

I didn't say they were negative, I asked whether you could see how someone might interpret them that way.

Personally, I agree with Maggie...there is a bit of a holier-than-thou flavor to that particular post, whether you intended it or not.

And there's nothing at all wrong with options, the issue is that a lot of your compatriots in this are trying to dictate the One Right Way To Light Your Av, not "Here's something else you can try."

If you see it as holier than thou, that is how you see the post, it is not how the post was intended, just as I did not see your post as you meant it, instead I saw your reply to my comment about the environment settings as more of a "go away we do not care what you think"

With written words, there is a lot more room for misinterpretation

For example, many of your posts come across to me, as though you think you are better than anyone else, that you have the perfect avatar, and that SL revolves around you... does that mean you mean for them to come across that way? Nope.. just means I see them that way

just as you guys saw mine in a different way than it was intended

Meethinks you two need to kiss and make up... Then send the pictures to Trout. (^_^)y

ROFL
um... no

LOL

i hate when i don't get quoted in controversial debates!