Face Light

I have to say that I was on a tour of a sim yesterday, one with assorted pieces of lighting, and the look was frequently ruined by certain walking lanterns, to the extent that whole areas were washed out to whiteish. It was fairly easy to identify the culprits due to the fact that even if their invisible attachments were not visible, they were followed around by a pool of light. But, despite repeated entreaties, they did not remove them. Possibly they were not even aware that they had them on.

I would encourage anyone selling any product with a built-in facelight to at least have a notecard informing the purchaser of the fact, and what it meant, and that they might want to disable it at times, but really, anyone selling 10m radius facelights probably can't even put more than two words together anyway. (Those words being "face" and "light".)

same here, I have never told anyone (not even close friends) until this thread, of my dislike for facelights, and the only reason I said it was because I wanted to give the OP another option other than facelights, which apparently some folks felt was the wrong thing to do.

when the negative comments regarding my suggestion started I figured it was all fair game

(my original post in here, this is in no way saying I dislike facelights, it is merely saying that there is another option and to save them the trouble of finding and using a face light they could try this option)






ROFL this is soooo true

I think most of the really obnoxious ones don't know they're doing it. I've walked many a newbie through turning on local lights and they're usually pretty shocked at how they look..

same here, I have helped a lot of folks with lighting and such, and also with how to change their lighting via the environment controls (which I recently found out, is also on the reg client 1.19.4)

If anyone wants to know the steps just pop over to my store, or the bar, or the events listing area and grab a notecard, if you need help just give me a shout.

(a couple folks saw this thread, contacted me in world, we went through it and they were pleasantly surprised at how easy it was and what a difference it makes)

I see this as "you're being inconsiderate of me being inconsiderate!" And it can be seen that way from either side. This is why it's pointless to argue over the net. But it feels good to get some of it out

cristalle yep it does feel good

however they are not affecting me anymore, as I turned local lighting off
facelights are the reason I no longer use local lighting, and upon turning it off I discovered a slight increase in my framerate (and I can use all the increase I can get heh)

ffs, I still can't locate the 'Groan' button on this stupid forum.

That's a good idea from LL (for once), but I REALLY don't see what the problem is. I've never seen a build in SL where lighting was critical (outside of the mind of the creator).

It's impossible in the 1.18.5.3 Nicholaz version viewer I'm running.


Um, hi, 'ridiculous' is huge a part of the premise of Second Life. You be ridiculous your way, and I'll be ridiculous mine, OK?


I'm torn. On the one hand, if people will stop with the 'evols of facelights' rants, that'd be nice. On the other, this is just further proof that LL really only cares about pretty environments, in direct opposition to the desires of a large percentage of its population.

and if people would stop praising the use of facelights that would be nice too

can not have it both ways, and unfortunately not everyone will like them, just as not everyone will dislike them

Ann, I've always enjoyed the images you've posted in the Gallery section. By all means, continue to use your face light until you feel comfortable with that something better that comes along .

I have seen plenty where having some idiot wandering around like they are on fire utterly ruins the effect. In fact: everywhere, now I think about it. It would not be so bad if they _were_ on fire - at least that would provide some connection between grid activities and the visual effect.

I agree that it's a matter of affecting people. Because the more subtle facelights can't annoy anyone visually?
Here's a quick photomontage, http://www.flickr.com/photos/27764102@N02/2651104322/

I just slapped this together in a few minutes, it is not good or big pictures, but raw ones showing me shopping. The facelight I normally use to the right, the brightest I have to the left (I don't think I ever used it) and without facelight in the middle. World set to midnight. Even my brightest facelight don't cast light around me.

Ok, I can stop using it. So we take off our facelights. Then we take off our AO's, our hair and jewellery that is scripted, our primheavy hair and clothes, our radars or Mystitool, our "hugs"... all scripted items or items that can annoy or ruin the meaning of SL for others. Because we will not affect others experience of SL?

We are left with BP (Before Prims) avatars, and can only use our gadgets alone with no one around. Feels a bit like wasted money?

In very heavy events with lots of ppl, I would take off AO and Mystitool or radar, and I can also take off facelight. But that's only in crowded places.

This is my final post in this thread, I'm off for vacation in two weeks.

you can wear whatever you wish as far as I am concerned
I do not use local lighting, therefor I do not see any of the facelights or other lighting effects
I used to use local lighting, but everywhere I went ppl with facelights were lighting everything up, so I turned it off and now have a preset that works for me

you are getting a little to the extreme

people are merely explaining why they dislike something, as far as I can tell, no one is saying you can not wear it

THAT is your choice, to wear it or not

and actually I did used to use a facelight until I realized what the effects truly were, I no longer use a facelight

and as you can tell by the before and after post, with my settings, the avatar looks smooth, pretty and no weird shadows, and not only my avatar, but everyone I see is like that...

Hi Pot, Kettle here,

I would hope that you would be able to understand the difference between controlling something like the appearance of your own avatar as opposed to having such passionate opinions about what other people should and shouldn't be doing concerning something as silly as a facelight in a virtual world. That one doesn't work for me, I tried but I just can't make the stretch.

I can sympathize if you aren't able to have control over every available local light source in a public area. I would tend to agree that "glowtards" can be annoying although not something I would really care much about either way. My feeling is if I come across someone with the bright lights big deal live and let live. I can put up with the minor annoyances of others if they can put up with mine!

You haven't harassed anybody but based on what I've been reading in this thread I have heard a few insults and people ridiculing facelight users, not necessarily meant in a mean way or aimed at me since I have made it clear that I am using a low keyed light. But I would say that this sort of behavior is way more inconsiderate and offensive than somebody innocently trying to enjoy their experience in SL by using a facelight and possibly inadvertently offending somebody with super bright lights.

I really didn't know that people had such a problem with facelights and I would have probably even agreed before I read all the posts on this thread. But I get the feeling based on the strong opinions that if some of the people who are opposed to facelights had their way they would be completely banned.

I said it was my last post, but please... it is always someone who can pick on what is "wrong" to wear. The OP has posted several times here that she want a facelight. That she got the facelight suggested and is happy with it. This didn't start as a discussion: Facelight: right or wrong?

Oh my. The idea of face-lights being a moral issue just struck me as deadly funny. =^_^=

And then our Communists, our Poles, our Jews...

This is all like something Hitler would have done really.

/me whips off her pants and waves them in salute.

Well fair enough. I realize that a lot of people won't even have the settings set so they can see my lighting. But at least some people will be able to and I think there are more people who can than can't based on the people I've talked to. If not who cares then its like I'm not wearing the facelight, no big deal. But I would still be seeing myself with lighting at least. I do care how others see my avatar though and although I enjoy changing hair and clothes and everything for my own enjoyment its nice to show it off to others too.

I never said anyone SHOULD do anything. I was just venting about why I dislike them, since it came up as a matter of discussion. You are making it personal by saying that I have control issues, when it's quite the other way around. No one has said they should be banned. What has been voiced is a vehement dislike for them in general.

Even though subtle lights are not the worst offenders, they still affect a build. And if an avatar can improve their own view for their own snapshots without undermining the environment, the suggestion has been made: why not? If what matters is how you look in your own pictures, why change the environment or tell people "turn off local lights if you don't like it"? This is not suggesting a ban, but a considerate change of tactic thanks to new technology. In response we there is a position about wanting to control how you are viewed, even though most people will not care and in large groups, your light may be ineffective anyway thanks to the proliferation of face and body lights.

Your world, your choice - but if you don't get the desired response, sorry but too bad.

as for how my avatar looks to others, I have no worries about that, except when I am doing ads, which I use the envirnment settings for, and have a notecard dispenser in my store so folks can set those setting too if they so choose

all in all it is a personal choice
I play SL and look the way I do and wear the things I wear to please me, not to impress anyone else
(well except for the stuff I make, I do that to impress others too, why else would I set it for sale LOL)

but that is whole 'nother ball of wax

Nothing personal here, just responding to some of the comments in the thread. Really a dumb thing to be arguing about though I must say! And if its any consolation Pot would be happy to know that Kettle didn't get her desired response either.

i agree. dumb arguement.

i use a facelight. if i'm at a night event i will take it off, otherwise, i don't even realize i'm wearing it after photoshoots.... until....

when i log in, if rezzing is slow, i see a grayed out sphere that hosts the actual invisible texture. it's pretty funny to see someone walking around with a big gray sphere in front of them... even more comical to see someone with several!

I swear, from reading threads on a variety of subjects in the forums, I must not hang out in the same places as many or even most people since I don't experience some of the same things.

Case in point - "Glowtards". Now I have seen many a "blingtard" in my day....lately not so much. But I honestly have never seen anyone who lights up a whole room. Or even a portion of it.

I run 1.18.5.3 Nicholaz viewer with local lights on. I rarely go to clubs anymore. Maybe that's where this interesting breed hangs out. What I *do* notice in the few clubs we frequent anymore due to the personal friend DJ's are all the rotating, blinging, flashing, eye-popping lights. If a Glowtard did walk in...I'd be hard pressed to notice with all the other flashing lights competing for my ocular attention.

I own one wig with a facelight built in. (At the time I purchased the hair, it was for a particular look for our Partnering ceremony. I had NO clue a facelight was built in. I didn't even know what one was. When I read the enclosed card that told how to turn it on/off I was pleased with the effect it gave).

Our ceremony was outside with encouragement to turn the world to midnight. We had little luminaries to light the aisles and two large torches on each side of the canopy under which we were standing.

When I received the photos my friends took (who had offered to photograph the ceremony), I was heartsick. Everything looked almost pitch black!!! I couldn't understand it until my partner told me they must have had local lighting turned off which didn't pick up the luminaries, torches, or my facelight. We went back the next morning and redid all our photographs personally.

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That is my one experience with facelights which was very positive. I choose not to use another viewer at this time as I am very happy with the SL experience it currently offers me and the times I have used the newer viewers I either crash and burn or get lagged a lot.

I don't wear any kind of lighting unless I happen to wear that one wig, which isn't that often and don't have a strong opinion one way or the other.

Except...good gracious!!! All this furor over facelights?!?!?!?

I agree with this quote: