Face Light

Can anyone recommend a good face light? The ones I have found are way too bright they seem to light up the whole room and blind everyone within 20 foot diameter around me!

I use this one:

http://shop.onrez.com/item/414037

Virtually every aspect - brightness, color, radius, etc. - is adjustable.

They're also pretty simple to make yourself, if you'd prefer something unscripted. All you really need is a transparent texture and a little time.

On my way to check this out thanks

facelight != good;

In your opinion.



IMO, facelight = = good

save yourself the trouble of using a facelight, and just set the advanced lighting settings to give you a good view of the world

remember a facelight only works if folks have local lighting turned on (myself I do not use local lighting, instead I just change the lighting settings via world lighting, and everything look good)

not sure if it is only the RC or if the reg client has it now too (I use the RC)

Your Windlight settings are only applicable to your client too, so what difference does it make whether you go with the facelight or advanced settings, as long as you look good to you? And WL settings are a whole lot more complicated than popping on a facelight.

Got to agree.

Plus more people than you might think use local lighting. I have what I've named "body lights" that I made.......fully adjustable and only three lights. I usually only wear them for photos though

well it keeps an attachment spot free

I was merely only giving the op another option

you prefer a face light, I prefer the settings in world

to each there own

as I said I was just giving them another option... they will either like it, or not

also by not using a facelight, (or facelights as I have seen some folks with 6 to 8 of them)
I am not using up the local lighting resources (as in the amount of local lights seen)

just because I prefer the lighting instead of facelights doesn't make it wrong, anymore so than facelights are wrong

edited to add, it is no harder to open a menu and select a setting than it is to turn on local lighting and put on a face light, and if it is scripted with colors and such, then clicking for said menu, THEN if it is very bright and color, it could be ruining someone else's experience with SL

my experience with others using facelight is what caused me to explore the world lighting settings, now I see SL how I want to, and no one else's lights mess with it

also... you did not need to get on the defensive

a more cordial reply would have been

oh cool another option for folks who do not wish to use local lighting...

instead you felt the need to bash it down, push it away and consider it useless...

I'm allowed to express my opinion, Rha, and I wasn't being 'snippy.' You implied that there's something 'troublesome' about facelights and fiddling with WL settings would be simpler. I disagree.

You're reading waaaay more into my response than was intended.

Except you actually have to come up with decent, avatar-friendly settings first and that CAN be quite complicated.

The facelight I suggested takes two or three button clicks to set.

as you may have noticed I edited that out, as I rethought it out and figured maybe I took it the wrong way.

Or did you not notice that the post had changed?

Just everyone PLEASE realize that facelights kill environment lighting.

There are only 6 lights available at any one time to any client. By wearing a light you are taking one from the environment. Get 4-5 people with facelights and there might as well not even be local lighting any more. And that's if you have only one. I've seen lots of people that have up to three lights on them. Is any one person really entitled to half of all the avialable local lights there are? That's like someone walking into a sim with 3000 scripts on. Even one is pushing it, though I imagine MOST people have no idea that they are so limited.

So rethink if you REALLY need to have your face/body illuminated all the time. and even when they are turned down, if other people nereby REALLY want to be illuminated by you.

the settings I use I have shared with others and took them through how it is done, it is not complicated and very simple

once you have it the way you want, you save it as a new preset and with a couple menu choices you are back to where you want to be

not complicated unless someone wants to complicate it

(I have show newbies how to do it and they were surprised how easy it was and could not wait to experiment with it )

as far as avatar friendly, facelights can be very unfriendly, but at least this way, I am not subjecting anyone else to my choice of settings
Facelights subject others to it IF they have local lighting turned on

each have pluses and minuses

precisely my point just put much better LOL

the thing I like about my own settings is it affects all of SL the way I want to see it, not just me
and I am not taking away from anyone else's experience

after all, isn't a facelight there so you see you, how you want to?
(being that you have no way to control who uses local lighting and what kind of settings they are at, you can not control it for other)

anyone that has seen my ads in my store, especially the more recent ones, are seeing it done with the lighting settings I use...
for me... it works and for others it works (as mentioned I have helped others with that setting and they loved it)

This applies to the 6 light sources closest to you...an av wearing a facelight can be fairly near and not affect environmental lighting for you at ALL, depending on how it's set up. Far too much gets made of this; take 2 or 3 steps away and you're golden again.


It was still there when I quoted, obviously. And claiming I was 'on the defensive,' when I certainly wasn't, isn't much different.

I don't use Windlight viewers because I think LL did a crap job implementing it. It's a fabulous notion, but there ought to be at least one default which prioritizes avatar appearance over pretty skies and fluffy clouds...messing with the advanced editor should be OPTIONAL, something to do when you want a specific effect, not required if you don't want to be horrified by the look of the av you've put so much time into.

it was the way I saw it, doesn't mean that is how it was, you seemed defensive, just as the rest of your posts directed at me seem to be on the defensive, not sure why

we are all entitled to our opinions, just because you prefer face lights and I don't doesn't mean face lights are better, and same thing for the other way.. just cuz I prefer the environment settings and not facelights doesn't make it better either

I just prefer the environment settings and MUCH prefer the RC
again, just because you do not like the RC doesn't mean everyone will dislike it

*shrug*
I guess we will have to agree to disagree

I still think that the best reply you could have used would have been along the lines of what I previously posted...

ie: never thought of that, thanks, there is another option for users to try

instead of your negative reply stating that the *environment settings are harder to use, when in fact I myself find them easier to use and the result MUCH better than a facelight. Others will have to decide for themselves what they like.
I did not post it so you and I could get into a debate about which is best, I posted it so people know there are options other than a facelight out there for them.

and if anyone wants help with setting up those environment lighting, all they have to do is send me an IM I would be glad to help

*you called them WL, I do not utilize the windlight settings, this is something other than pretty clouds and such (maybe some folks classify it as windlight, however I do not)


and on that note, I am done with this discussion, we will not see eye to eye, I will continue to use the settings I use and not interfere with the way others see the world, and you will continue to use your facelight

I was speaking of a newer Resident's perspective...as a whole, they likely don't know where to get premade presets and going into the Environmental Editor with all those sliders to try and set up their own is far more difficult than putting on a facelight. Unless someone like you is around to walk them through the process, I don't think it IS a valid option starting out. And, you know, there are still quite a few of us on pre-WL viewers for whom it isn't an option at all.

For my own reasons, I have to agree more with Rhaorth.

I think face lights can be considered the equivalent of a studio spotlights. They are by no means a global lighting solution, as is Windlight. Many are needed to evenly light an avatar's head (and body). They have their place in a studio setting as a means to control lighting intensity and color to enhance the mood , but they can not possibly be considered a logical solution to the avatar surface rendering problem when they do not work globally on avatars, or anything else. They are limited by angle and falloff. Face lights themselves are in turn affected by Windlight/environmental settings. Thus, face lights can be considered secondary lighting effects at best.

I think it's rather silly to walk around a public place as if you are on some gel lit Broadway stage and encroach upon everyone else's visual experience. Multiply that by several avatars competing for the same glowing attention, and it become ridiculous.

Windlight is a far more logical solution. It is global, works from any camera angle, consistent under all environmental conditions because it IS the environmental condition, and consumes zero resources in world because it is entirely client side. I am well aware that anyone can have different Windlight settings. The same can be said of face lights, and how face lights are affected by the different Windlight settings, so that fact can not be used as an excuse for one method of lighting being more accessible than the other.

I predict we will eventually be able to trade/sell Windlight settings the same way we trade/sell shape settings. It could easily be built into the client. Someone just needs to do it. At that point changing lighting becomes as easy as changing avatar clothes.

I have noticed some photo studios have these built in, and in that situation it makes sense to me if one can not utilize the windlight settings (I am guessing that it is considered windlight, even though it is not atmospheric shaders)


didn't they mention something about this ability eventually?

even though we can not trade them in the same way, it is not hard to walk someone through a basic setting for the environment lighting effects, as mentioned I have done this with newbies



*shrugs*

some folks I am sure understand where I am coming from

I bought this light and am very happy, can control everything and even the default settings are very good, can hardly tell you have it on.

In some smaller clubs, several people with facelights kill the whole atmosphere- not to mention the lag.

At one place I hang out alot, if you're facelights are 'obvious', they'll ask you to remove 'em.

Geesh! If I had a L$ for every glowing person that came there... I'd be Rich!

Never saw a need for 'em myself. WL works well for me!

Not to be overly blunt, but I don't care. My avi IS my creation in SL and I'm going to do whatever I need to in order to enjoy her to the maximum possible. No one has ever complained to me about my facelight anyway. *shrug*


When I mentioned this topic and consistency of experience, I was speaking of old-style viewers versus WL-enabled viewers. With four default settings and local lighting or not for visible facelights, there was a strong chance people would see you as you saw yourself, or near enough not to matter...and, realistically, most people switched to sunset or sunrise at login, so the likelihood was actually probably higher. With Windlight, the possible permutations are practically limitless so, without any av-friendly defaults built in, you NEVER really know. Like, I said, if fiddling with those permutations was optional, I'd be gung ho for Windlight; as implemented, I'll never voluntarily switch.

And I will continue to use my facelight.

There's nothing wrong with face lights. The only problem is that most residents still have face lights from before Windlight. As Windlight handles lighting much differently (mostly with much higher light intensity) people start to glow.

The thing I really DON'T understand, is why people don't see their glow themselves. Man, I try to make my textures as optimal as possible for default Windlight settings, but bad face lights can really destroy any bright texture.

And besides, why buy a face light? It's just one prim (yes, you don't need 3 or 30) with light that you put on your nose.