Face Light

the reason they do not see it is they are using either the old clients or a 3rd party client, that does not have windlight settings in it

as for buying a facelight... my guess is they do not know how to make a sphere, texture it totally clear and set the light effects on it, then attach to their nose and position...

that is a guess though, maybe they just like to spend money, or they want all the bells and whistles *shrug*

Because I'm such an inconsiderate bitch, I like to drown sims in needless scripts too.










(Or maybe just because the one I paid for works better and more subtly than anything else I've seen AND gives me tons of extra lighting options when I'm taking pics, without having to stop what I'm doing to make something new. Simplicity and function FTW.)

Most facelights destroy my visual experience. It's so annoying to be in a place and then -foom!- someone lit up like a broken glow stick spilling over walks in, washing out everything and casting shadows everywhere. The ones that really get to me are the ones needing 3 and 4 lights. For crying out loud, one should be enough. It's already too much.

For crying out loud, is it really that hard to boost the ambient light intensity a little, and call it a day? Face lights are just all kinds of wrong.

For crying out loud, is it really that hard to boost the ambient light intensity a little, and call it a day? Face lights are just all kinds of ridiculous.


The LL graphics team has said publicly that in the future they plan to give attached lights the lowest possible rendering priority, so that face lights can no longer destroy the lighting in builds. Instead, the reverse will happen. Static local lighting will end up disabling face lights. I really hope that future comes soon.




ETA: Apologies for the double post. Not sure how that happened.

That's not quite how it works: a dynamic light acts as a static light of the same intensity, but with a 25% larger radius.

Even your own subtle face light will get cancelled out quite easily by other facelights with a larger radius at quite a distance away.

Facelight 1 (your own) - i = 1.0 ; r = 2 ; d = 0 -> calculated distance = 0 - 2.5 = -2.5
Facelight 2 - i = 1.0 ; r = 10 ; d = 9.99 -> calculated distance = 9.99 - 12.5 = -2.51

The person just under 10m away from you will cancel out your own facelight, despite the fact that yours is as close to you as it can get because it's an *adjusted* distance formula and not just regular distance.

And you're usually not dealing with just 1 facelight: lots of people seem to assume that since they have 1 light attachment that must mean they're wearing 1 light when something like the mystitool tool can actually be up to 6 lights and then there are lights they're oblivious to because they can't be bothered to actually check.

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The shadow draft viewer makes things even worse since it render *all* lights and per-pixel. Walking around a room filled with people with facelights makes my eyes bleed because the wash-out will just make everything a bright glowing white.

Even just by themselves they can look hideous to me walking around with a pure bleached white face while turning everyone and everything within a 10m radius washed out white as well.

I generally just tp away when it gets too bad, but I've been severely tempted to take a snapshot and send it to the person in question and showing them just how "pretty" their facelight makes them.

Even a subtle one still looks bad since you'll have a halo of light surrounding you and you just look like a human searchlight walking around.

In the meantime, one could download the zip file of recommended settings here:
http://www.secondskinlabs.com/Downloads/downloads3.html

Oh, wait, there's an off chance Namssor already has seen those...

(unrelated side note, you are definitely on my Christmas list now that I've found your ztl avatar files for 3.1. Made my first skin today and everything )

it appears I am not alone in my dislike of facelights
photo studio lighting is one thing, or using a facelight for taking pics

but wearing them all the time everywhere....

just not for me

"boost the ambient light intensity a little"

THAT'S IT!!
that is what I do, adjust that and a couple other little things, easy as (dare I say it) pie

heh

Well I do find it annoying when someone has a spotlight blasting on me when they are standing within a few meters which is one of the reasons I was looking for a new face light, I wanted one a little more subtle and found it. I have thought about making one myself, sounds like a good idea, but i feel more comfortable buying a good one that someone has tested and is already set up by someone who knows what they are doing. I have a feeling I would get into it and never be sure which way was the best lighting so i would rather leave all the fussing to someone else! This new one I have is great its scripted and well worth the 375L i paid for it to me.

I would just change my settings but my main reason for the face light or any other cosmetic thing I do is primarily for how I look to everybody else, and I was under the impression that the viewer settings have no impact on what everyone else sees.

I do wish the lighting worked better so i wouldn't need the face light, its just sometimes Im very unhappy with the lighting and want to use whatever i have at my disposal to get the look Im after.

Just to add that some people dont even know that they have a facelight on.

I took a snapshot of one av and sent it across to show how much the room was being lit up.

The issue here was that the facelight was built into the hair and it is only that i am such a hair slut that i knew that hair from that vendor comes with built in lights because a check for lights showed none.

Oh and HE had no idea what faceligiits were prims to our chat.

If anyone wants the ultimate lights you need the Facelight 3000. They are such fun, worn on your back with a huge power pack and wit 6 high intensity lights in front. They are a joke item, IM me if you want them.

Facelights =Meh. I don't use one, don't really care if someone else does. I don't really pay attention to it. But I am enjoying the usual "You are wrong, and I hate you for disagreeing with me" , that discussions about one's choices in SL usually spawn.

Nova has a free face light available that is quite subtle and which contains instructions for upping the amps (as it were) as well, if you like. http://slurl.com/secondlife/Filataponic/37/215/38

And there is another free face light system at the Gift Shop of the Globe Theatre. http://slurl.com/secondlife/sLiterary/2/41/22 It's called the SbZ Personal Lighting System, and it contains seven different face lights that range from very subtle for daytime wear, to dramatic. It gives you lots of options.

I like to pick up free face lights any time I can, just because they all seem to attach to different points on the face, and that way I can pick and choose when adding jewelry or makeup to the mix. It's handier than changing attachment points (and thereby changing how the light works).

There seems to be a moral component in SL to face lights that I don't get--no way, no how--- so I can't help you there. But there are lots of options to choose from to get the effect you're after. And a lot of them are free.

removed because my intention wasn't to piss someone off.

People seem to be attaching a Morality to just about evrything in SL lately. What happened to "Your World, Your imagination" ?

Word!

i havent read anything past the first post (i dont have to this argument is so trite), and i am just gonna say right now that all the noselamp haters can fuck off already.
if you dont like my lamp then turn off local lights and stfu.

Dekka, if you think my posts are too long, don't read them. Please don't pollute the thread with off-topic personal slights. Tacking a smiley face on the end of it doesn't make it OK.

If you have something intelligent to say that is relevant to the actual subject of the thread, please do. Otherwise, kindly keep your comments to yourself.

Chosen I read many of your posts, your graphic tips are usually the best laid out advice I see in the forums. Sorry I annoyed you.

I think the most important information is missing from this thread:-

What are the best settings to use with a facelight with blonde hair?

/me waves to Nina..

That's often a frustration for me. While I don't do a huge lot with lighting, I still try to make it nice. Then someone walks in who sucks all the light out of an area and is lit up like a roman candle (leave it to me to use a fireworks reference). It really ends up killing an area.

The funny thing to me? With everyone's settings likely to be different, while you may look great to you, you are quite likely to be far too washed out on someone else's system.

Mari
(Who does use the Mysti implant's light sometimes while taking photos, but leaves it off otherwise)

Very funny .

Somehow I don't think the glowtards will even touch those files with a barge pole. They're too busy cutting off their client to light their face.

Yes, maybe we should start dropping snapshots of how "pretty" the walking candles are.

Heh... Lemmee start talking about my moral sensibilities again and watch how the conversation goes. (=_=)

Now... on to face lights. (^_^)

I have a few... Mostly ones I made myself... Windlight compliant... and strictly for photography. But I rarely use them. When given the choice between a fully lit picture (Insert random fashion magazine here) or a shaded and contrast filled image; I personally prefer the latter. (^_^)

The default Windlight settings as I see them are quite believable for the various times of day represented. Especially when taking a place like California in context. Our mornings and evenings are very orange. Midday without cloud diffused light is typically a photographer's nightmare because all the shadows come out to play. That's why most "pros" carry a collection of reflectors, diffusers, and fill flashes. (^_^)

To me, the same applies in SL. The midday setting is heavily shaded, and, depending on context, needs some diffused light (facelights) to brighten faces. The thing is, I can't see myself wearing one all day. I lag other people enough with my 300+ prims worth of shiny spikes. No lag on me, but still, I gotta have a shred of courtesy. Okay, maybe not when I'm in feathers... But, hey, can't please 'em all. (=_=)

Ann, you do a good job of lookin' good. So I ain't never gonna criticize you for using a face light. But, I gotta point out, you're one of the good ones. Some people are wearing the friggin' sun and they wind up over lighting themselves and the world around them, no matter what viewer you're in. It's one thing to be attractive and another to be a bleeding beacon of attention wh***ness. I do giggle at you for paying monies for your light, but, hey, people are buying the stuff I make too... Such is a consumer society, I don't mind. (^_^)

And... Honest question and blatant self-pic-spam... Does this face look like it needs extra lighting? (Default Windlight settings BTW) (^_^)y

or lets have a viewer setting that lets up see ourselves how others do. I get frustrated thinking i'm a hot babe yet everyone else sees a ruth.

Or worse still dancing or humping a non existant poseball from the sim we teleported from when we forgot to stop animations - ok we grow out of that one but it would be nice to see others they of us