Face Light

Hey that is a good one, I was using the Bare Rose WL 3 set one,
but this is great, thanks Maggie for the mention am playing, wandering around and not hating it, but not also wandering around like a specter overkill.

Ok, I don't know about the technical stuff and moving all the sliders about, but my hair has a built in face light. I turned it on and couldn't see any difference myself, is that because I had changed the environment settings to midday as opposed to the automatic setting of the sim?

I do hope I'm not walking about looking like a broken glow stick spilling over (nice description BTW)

you need to have local lighting enabled in the preferences graphic settings
if you are seeing only sun and moon, you will not see the facelights or other lighting effects

Facelights are obviously well liked by people who enjoy looking at their own avatars. They can certainly be helpful for snapshots and modelling.

But as someone who has tried to build environments that make the most of local lighting effects to create ambiance, and struggled to work within the confines of the 6 lights limitation, it is immensely frustrating that someone with attached light sources can stroll through and ruin the lighting effects I have worked to create.

Your face glows, even if subtly, at the expense of my rustic fireplace, firefly and streetlamp, perhaps.

One of the regrets of my time in SL is making a simple facelight for a friend before I fully understood what it meant. She still wears it to this day :/


Well, that's pretty blunt. But yep, for a lot of people (probably most people) in SL, how their avatar looks is more important than how the environment looks. I can't complain. That's SL (or rather, that's DirectX), and most people have no idea about the limitations.

It is just a bit frustrating, as a builder who tries to use local lighting.

Just my 2 cents.

np

i love it! and i wear all the time when i'm in world. you still have the flattering light(which as Aebleskiver pointed out, is Windlight Friendly) but you don't look like a nuclear reactor either.

this is true in SL and RL!

i totally need your help!

/me raises hand for notecard!

I hate face lights. I do not understand the appeal. It seems to me that the common face light does more to distort graphical quality than it does to enhance it. My g/f has a face light somewhere on her but she doesn't see it yet it lights up my client like a super nova. I need to sit down with her, remove everything and figure out which lame clothing accessory or hair has it built in...and then how to disable it. I have yet to enjoy her beautiful new skin since it is always being washed out by the stupid light.

I have a very sexy avatar, I must admit....but I don't need a face light to stare at myself (and I do!) So, why do people need these to look at themselves? I don't. I think my face looks much better using environmental lighting.

I think it is obtrusive too. I love night settings. Can't stand it when some self-absorbed idiot comes into my circle with blaring lights on. Lack of taste, indeed!

So thats what it is, I thought I had some viewer glitch or something. light flickering everywhere and parts of the enviroment obsurdly light, I later realised it was people attaching lights to themselves, I figured maybe it was a "Hey look at me Im as bright as the sun and now Im here you cant see anything but me" thing.

I had no idea the intention was to light up their faces for some reason, thanks for this thread.

I can sympathize with someone who has spent time working on the local lighting with their build and have it ruined by someone with an overly bright facelight. But keep in mind some people have spent quite a bit of time working on their avatar's look as well and not everybody who uses a facelight is using one that is excessively bright and obtrusive. Some can be very subtle and i am surprised that more people haven't experienced the benefit of using one, the difference is quite obvious to me when looking for a certain look. I have encountered people with lights that are so bright that everything was completely washed out within a few meters and this is annoying to me too. This seems to be what most people are complaining about. But I think to have hatred for facelights in general because of the people who use the super bright ones is being a little narrow minded and broad.

I wear one because it helps me to achieve a more consistent look, one that I'm looking for, not so much for my benefit in the sense that I'm sitting there staring at myself all the time, but so that I can be a little more confident that I am presenting a particular look to the world in the way i intended.

I see that you can adjust the viewer settings to improve the lighting and address the same issues that people with facelights are trying to fix. The only problem is its only changing how I appear in my own viewer, and considering that I am not a "self absorbed idiot" as someone referred to facelight users, it isn't really accomplishing much as far as how I present my look to the world. Just as how some people use local lighting to present their build to the world in a certain way, some of us use facelights. Whether or not they are being used properly or are too bright is another thing.

I'd imagine very few people, if anyone, will see you the way you intended.

If I'm in a crowd, I tend to cam around so that I can see the entire group. Unless someone asks for an opinion, or if I see them wearing something I like, I just don't cam up to other people's face to have it fill the entire screen.

In most of all case the effect of a facelight is not going to be anything anyone will notice in a good way, unless I'm just odd and other people constantly walk up to others (they have to be close to you to even see the effect of the facelight at all likely) and then cam up close to your face for an extended amount of time.

Except for the few who are using the shadow draft viewer, everyone is limited to 6 local lights, that's it. It doesn't matter if your facelight is subtle or glaringly obvious, if its adjusted distance puts it in with the closest 6 then that means that one static, ambient light is not going to be lighting anything at all.

Since it's almost impossible to not be around 6 facelights at any given time when there's people around, facelight ruin *all* ambient light, subtle or not.

Make an alt, put your main somewhere where's there's a crowd and then log on your alt and cam/look over to yourself from a distance. You likely won't even see your facelight because everyone else's drowns it out.

Your facelight is close to your avie, and while other lights - especially those with a large radius - can hide your facelight from even yourself you'll generally see yourself life because it's adjusted distance to avie that counts, where your cam is doesn't matter for lights (unless you're in flycam mode).

Regardless, the issue is to which extent one person can negatively influence others around them. If I thought glow was so great that I'd wrap myself in even a 2m semi-transparent sphere with glow set then that would just be visually annoying to most everyone since anything in front of behind me even though it's exactly the same effect that a facelight has.

I don't think anyone cares how anyone else looks to themselves and only themselves, but the point is that a facelight has a negative effect on others around and that's where disagreement comes from. If only people with a facelight could see it and it would be invisible to everyone else, there would be no problem. As it is, LL will likely give dynamic lights a radius penalty rather than a radius bonus which would effectively make them as useless as static lights currently are.

Off-topic, but I would suggest you try the shadow draft viewer if you haven't already . And definitely if you actually sell what you create because of the immense difference.

What looks good in the current viewer can look quite awful (or horribly laggy) when the viewer suddenly renders all lights all at the same time, but what looks great in the shadow draft viewer does look good in the regular viewer as well .

I disagree, absolutely some people will see me as intended with a facelight, im not neccessarily in a large crowd of people with eveyone wearing bright facelights all the time. In a setting with a few people where i am talking it can definitely help, which is where i spend most of my time. I think the strong feelings people have against the facelights is misdirected and could be channeled more toward the Linden's who are responsible for the less than desirable lighting effects in SL. I think until the lighting system is changed by them me using a mild facelight to improve my look isn't a big deal.



Well I would say that this is a problem with how the lighting works with SL, not with the people who are unhappy with it and trying to do something about it. It seems like as long as people are focusing on beating up on facelight "tards" or whatever someone called us, there isn't much pressure on Linden Labs to improve the lighting system.



Well I'm not generally too concerned about my appearance from a distance, but i know what you're talking about I've seen how others can drown it out in crowds. I have a feeling though that you don't have much experience with the more subtle facelights, the one I just bought is barely noticible and perfect in a private setting or where there aren't huge crowds. Don't knock it til you've tried it!

Face-lights are evil. Here's proof:


See?

That's a chestlight. What we really need is an example of a buttlight. (^_^)y

I believe the six-light limit is more of a hardware limitation than an SL one, if memory serves. Hence, I don't see that changing anytime soon.

Mari

I will drop it on you when I get in world, or if you want it right away and are in world, you can pop over to my place and pick one up from the notecard giver (I have one in the bar, the store and the events listing area)

Is that a beer commercial?

"BUTT LIGHT I SAID!"

LOL Craig, good way to describe it
yes they tend to use the facelights as it will help smooth out the shadows (as per my pic before and after, except I am not using a facelight, I am using the environment settings)

and facelights can only be seen when someone has local lighting on, so sometimes a lot of folks when them built into prim parts, have no idea they have a glaring light around them
(whoever thought to put them into prim things like hair, shoes etc, were nuts, and evil, especially when they are put there default on, with no controls)

I'm reminded of a friend that got some freebie earrings that were light emitting. (o.o)

I'm not sure what the builder was thinking, but, having lights of THAT intensity on the SIDES of the head basically made for pure white over-saturated shoulders and a face that looked like a tar spill at night. (>_<

I had to describe the situation to my friend, as she doesn't run with local lights turned on. Poor girl walked around like that for HOURS before she ran in to me. (=_=)

ez-pz:

/me grabs Jillian and Carries her away, as the Winner of the Internets for today.

the thing with facelights is they too are only changing the way you look in your viewer, there is no guarantee that others see you the same way, and saying that the majority do is no more true than if I said that the majority do not, we both have no way of knowing

the reason I say use the environment editor to change your lighting is that it will have 0 impact on anyone else's experience.

face lights, technically could be considered against the Community Standards if someone really wanted to push the issue...



bolding is mine... this is the part that facelights could fall under if someone really wanted to push it... being that facelights do inhibit another resident's ability to enjoy SL....

(technically speaking)

Then again, that one part could be applied to just about anything... (before someone tries to make that point LOL)

see perfect example, no idea what the creator was thinking

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