Skybox Security?

They increased the build height because they realized they had screwed up the original sim bounding box, and transitioning to Havok 4 allowed them to fix it.

Build limits have nothing to do with whether flight is "restricted" or not. It is a herring incarnadine.

lol. Is that true? (I know very little about the nuts and bolts of SL so if it's a joke, I wouldn't be able to spot it)

ETA:
and "very little" is a gross exageration.

If you know very little how things work, why don't you believe us?

I'm just cruising the webs and hovering here But why are we so hung up on people visiting our land???
Why ban??
Seriously let's just get on with each other.

Because knowing how to use something is not the same as knowing how it works. In this thread, we've been talking about how SL is used. High level stuff (no pun intended), not low level stuff.

We're not. You need to "cruise" through the thread

Oooh mon, too much to read. Read it for me baby and summarize.

You obviously don't understand how allocation works on mainland servers. I'll recap...

1. "Land" is basically comprised of two things: permanent prim placement allocation and the physcial layout of your plot within the 65536sqm of "land" in the simulator. The number of prims in a simulator is artifically set by LL to keep things running smoothly, and is distributed based on how much land you own. LL made sure to set the level of prims to include those prim rights allocated to land owners, as well as vehicles, temp-on-rez, and autonomous objects that might be roaming around. The right to rez permanent objects in the sim depends on what plot of land you are on, and what the owner allows you to place there as well as object-entry rights for non-vehicles.
2. Temporary prims (referred to temp-on-rez prims) are also allocated for use by things that need temporary prims, such as guns and some uniquely resident "hologram" rezzers for shops, as well as other "temporary" uses. These are also controlled by the owner, i.e. allowing them to be rezzed or not.
3. Vehicles: this is a shared resource of prims, and is defined as a prim or object that is "sat upon" by an avatar. Whenever a vehicle is in the sim, it is allowed entry over parcels of land, regardless of whether the land owner wishes it (as long as it is above the ban line limits). This is by design. This temporary existence of prims in the sim is to allow avatars free flight and enjoyment of the SL mainland. Once an avatar stands up, the vehicle is no longer a vehicle, and is subject to the whims of the land owner. Vehicles can bypass the object-entry rules because they are allowed free flight throughout the mainland, but not below the banlines which is considered where people's homes are located or where they are probably holding an event and don't want griefers close by.
4. Script timeslices: basically scripts are shared amongst everyone in the sim, with additional layers added over the years by LL to prevent "hogging" of the simulator server by certain scripting techniques that are "expensive" to the CPU and bandwidth. Too much to really describe here, but scripts are shared by all objects in the sim, whether it be a permanent object, a bullet (temp-on-rez), or a vehicle. Land owners can prevent running of scripts if they so wish, BUT vehicles are exempt from this (except for a few functions) while they are traveling as a vehicle over your land.
5. Attachments: these are prims and scripts running on an avatar, and avatars can have many many prims on their person that the land owner can't control. The land owner can control whether scripts run or not, however.

That's the mainland...now for private islands...

1. Total, unilateral, unfettered control over your server. That's right, you are paying a premium for total control. You control who can get there (teleport), you get total privacy, and you own everything. There is no sharing with anybody. It's your private island baby.

Well...

Somebody said something, and someone disagreed. Then someone else disagreed too, but then a few more people agreed. Then one person invented something and some people thought it was good. And after that, I got booted to my home by a house that wants me to die

Basically that's it - just regular stuff.

Yes. The original building bounding box was a 768 meter cube, of which only 256x256x768m was actually used. By changing it to 256x256x4096 they ended up with a smaller volume, but all buildable.

Interesting. Thank you for explaining it.

Thank you for the long post, Hank, but to be honest it wasn't necessary as it isn't really low level stuff - much of it is stuff we've already discussed here and it doesn't add information to this discussion. But I appreciate the time you spent writing it.

Dang, gotta put out executive summaries...LOL

Vehicles: can bypass object entry, can bypass script limitations, and aren't affected by banlines at vehicle altitudes by design. This was intentional because the skies are free for everyone to use when passing over land.

Zealous Security Systems: griefer tools when used improperly to unsit innocent people from their vehicles and teleport avatars home when the land owner doesn't agree with free flight on the mainland.

Yes, we know that's what you think, but you came in on a brief bit about low level SL, and that's not low level.

I guess there is no way to convince you short of having a Linden chime in, which they won't here in "Resident Answers" anyways, and you have already said that you wouldn't believe an individual Linden anyways. Ahh, well. No matter. Whatever is said here isn't going to change things. People will aggressively teleport people until LL starts cracking down.

Looks like we all agree people in SL are stupid with security, and people should be able to reasonably fly around. So lets stop arguing. Everyone grab your balloons and lets go for a float.

Security orbs are griefing tools no more or less.

If you're at home and want privacy that badly ask anyone nearby to leave, if they don't ban 'em. If you're not at home why worry ?

Why pay extra expense for 'security' which -let's face it- is pretty useless anyway, when sl has all the tools you need without disrupting genuine sl users and explorers?

It's difficult enough getting around sl at the best of times thanks to the combined forces of lag and dodgy regional boundaries without nonsensical security systems about.

How many ban line/orbs threads have there been?



People agreeing? Where?

And after all of it, how many residents have had any action taken against them for using a security device that only extends to the boundaries of their land? (I'll give you a hint, it rhymes with hero.) So what does that tell you about Linden Lab's de facto opinion and position about people who claim that such use of security devices is griefing or against the rules? People can argue until they are blue in the face as many times as they want on the forums but on the grid the facts speak for themselves.

Oh, sorry. Too much catnip makes me a little delusional.

Yeh, and adfarming and botfarming and camping wasn't illegal... until it was.

What's the difference between a resident doing that and a security orb doing it? Except the resident doesn't have to deal with the distraction of dealing with the intruder.

As long as the settings are reasonable, security orbs aren't griefing tools.

/me nods. And ban lines are built in.

Dunno, I could care less what someone does on my land when I am not there if it is not ARable.

Maybe if a noob sits on your swing he leaves virtual cooties behind? Dunno