Skybox Security?

No, but they invariably leave all your doors open.

And would you like to find out people have been having pretend kiddie sex on your sexbed by getting banned for it?

I'd agree with that. There's a big difference though with...

1. Automatic teleportation home without warning
2. "pseudo-warning" with mere seconds to figure out what you are "violating" before being teleported (10-30 seconds ain't gonna cut it)
3. Not knowing what you are being banned from? Messages like "Get off my lawn!" doesn't really tell you anything. "Hello! You are trespassing on my land at MySim <100,220, 2048>. You have 120 seconds before my security system teleports you home. Have a nice day!"

At least with a human, there is a judgement call. Is the person merely flying by, or a peeping tom?

Not really. My land is my land. You can pass through but that doesn't mean you can buzz around it, or the air space above it willynilly all day long. You have enough time to pass through (10 second, it isn't a big parcel just keep going. If you hit a box, turn left or right and move on - you can do it at a walking pace), and I use eject. I think Argent can handle that.

Hankmode warning: hank and his greifermobile can stay off if he wants to control my land

/hankmode

Argent and most people are reasonable. Yeah you can fly, have fun, just don't intrude. Its not public airspace- its privately paid for. I respect you enough for you to buzz past, do the same by giving me my privacy and not denouncing something analogous to a pistol kept in the home in case of burglars as the equivalent as buyin an ak47 to go shoot up a subway train. Hell, I even own some planes and fly them- my faves an older tigershark, goes into submarine mode in the water.

It's my recollection that someone from LL stated in office hours that anything over 15 seconds is allowable for an auto-eject security script. Anything less is potential for an AR.

Even if it's just a 512, 10s isn't enough time to pass through in a balloon.

o.O Huh? Griefermobile? Since when have I gone around griefing people?

Since you called any security system greiferbots.

I'll up it for you Argent is 30 second alright? Its a whole 40x40 box.

Anyway part of my 'hankmode' is I've been hit by people who hate ban lines. Hate anything keeping them from enjoying -your- land how you want to. I used to be worse, I was radicalized like Hank, only on the opposite side of the coin.

30s is kind of marginal for a balloon, but it's not completely impossible like 10s. It would be churlish of me to demand more at this point... but I beg you consider whether you need it at all when you're not there.

For people who hop on poseballs, by the way, I came up with some nice sneaky decoy poseballs you could throw out that would orbit anyone who used them. Havok 4 broke the script I used, and I haven't had occasion to rebuild them with a new nasty surprise yet.

I have a freenis that does this. I've given it to a couple of overly aggressive types. JUST WEAR ME! (insane giggles)

Another simple solution is to put a not very sexy texture and a rotating script into a sign and rez it over the area with the poseballs when you are away. A rotating picture of a gibbon mooning the photographer can do wonders to kill the libido.

I've just put in a support ticket, in the "Resident Content Tool Compliance" section, asking for advice on how much warning should be given, whether the warning time is different for people who may unwittingly strayed too close to such a device as opposed to people who're actually inside a structure where they must know they've no business to be, and, in particular, whether there's any special rules for Mainland over a certain altitude.

I'll let people know in this forum, either in this thread or a new one, what transpires.

The only way to do that is to read the trespasser's mind. Barring futuristic tech, anyone who is on your land for several minutes probably shouldn't be there. Why 15secs? What's the rush?

LOL .... in my last house (even though it had transparent walls) I would wish them luck! Without knowing where they were or turning on beacons they would never find them. I had some evil fun once ... someone was walking around my house trying to get in and I would stroll around in plain sight. Then when his back was to me I would duck into the nearest secret passage, walk underground, then reappear in another part of the house. He finally got REALLY confused and left.


As I said, I do not have one. In fact, no walls at all on my current parcel and hard to tell where the protected land is if you do not have property lines on.

Unfortunately if I am flying that still does not tell me much. Which way off of your parcel if I do not see the property lines? There are some oddly shaped parcels out there and somehow you need to tell ppl which direction to go.

Hank, all I am trying to do is ascertain what the rules actually say, since it strikes me as pointless to debate them unless we actually know what they are or whether, in fact, there are any.

As to how a trespasser is to know whether he should be there or not, I am inclined to think that someone who -- somehow -- finds himself in a strange skybox and is told by a script he shouldn't be there will probably need rather less time to decide what to do and where to go than will you or Argent if you're just flying around exploring. I don't know where you got 15 seconds from, by the way.

As to how long you give someone to leave and why you give them that time and no other, or why you decide to use, or not to use, one of these devices in the first place, is, as far as I'm concerned, up to you so long as you stay within the rules, and it's none of my business why you take the decision you do.

Let's find out, though, what the rules really are.

Back the way you came would be a pretty good guess. Or just keep moving in the same direction would be another good guess, but not as guaranteed as the first one.

I didn't know you were trying convince me at the time. You came into a very brief discussion about low level SL. All I replied that what you posted isn't low level - it wasn't in keeping with the brief dicussion that you entered (and some it just repeated what I'd posted myself early in the thread). I didn't know you were trying to start the high level stuff up again, which is good because attempts at persuasion have had a good run already

Just out of interest, is there no speed control at all with those balloons? If not, they could do with means of making them go faster for situations where it's needed.

So basically what this leaves us with, regardless of whether LL deems 15 or 30 secs as allowed, the mainland being a minefield that makes vehicle flight or avatar flight unpredictable (don't muddle the discussion with technical sim crossing issues) and unattainable because you never know how far you will get before you are teleportef, crashed, and you just lost your L$500 vehicle.

If that's what it leaves us with, then all your talk about rules, shared resources and such, will be shown to not apply in today's SL. I don't think they ever applied, but we are only concerned with today's SL.

Hank:

I've just receieved notifications that you've offered me the following items:-

HR Perfect Security 1.0.6
Universal Translator 1.9.5
HR MicroCredit ATM 1.4.7

What's all that about?

How do I know the person does not have a 4m wide keyhole (or worse) that I was in 1 second ago and I just strayed to the side? In which case, going backwards would take me over the keyhole and back onto their plot. I have even been caught surrounded by banlines at ground level in an area I frequested and it took more than an 'oh, this way' to automatically figure out which way to go. In the sky I would not even be given a clue which way to go.

Then there is the problem of if a plot is near a sim border. I guess you have never tried to cross one of those with a vehicle.

As best I can, I try to keep over protected land unless I do not have a choice. That is sometimes easier said than done though, even in a ground vehicle, as LL seems to love curved roads that deadend into oddly shaped parks.

Tha balloon I have does not have a speed control. Which would sort of defeat the point of a leisurely balloon ride anyway.

Tell you what though, contact *all* of the designers of balloons, convince them put in a speed controll, then pay for *everyone* who has a ballloon to upgrade ...

Just sending you three major items I create, mainly so you could see my security system. Was just being nice. Dang, some people are si paranoid! LOL

if someone pushed you into orbit without you asking using one of umpteen 'toys' available in sl they'd be griefing and you could ar them for it... so whats the difference with a security orb ?

The fact that someone tells you before they fling you across sl ?