Skybox Security?

But from what you were saying earlier in the thread, I thought that, This, from what you were saying, is not just your view; it's LL's policy that You said, Presumably, then, the answer I receive to my request for clarification from LL as to the policy will be to the effect that Mainland is a shared resource, that being able freely to fly across it is a personal freedom which security devices mustn't restrict and "if your security system is not allowing people free passage over and through your land at reasonably high altitudes above your parcel ... you need to make it possible for them to do so," along with, I hope, an indication of how this is to be done.

If it turns out that LL's policy on this is not quite what you thought it was, then we can discuss ways in which you would like landowners on the Mainland voluntarily to configure their security systems to accommodate the needs of flyers. But first let's find out what they've got to do; it may well be, from you've said earlier, that all that's necessary is that people comply with existing rules, whatever they are.

of course rather than going to all that trouble with security devices you could fill your parcel or site it near a regional boundary and you can just sit and watch aviators, boaters, astronauts, time travellers, motorists, people riding a brontosaurus or anyone else sail off wildly into the sunset or crash out of sl...

why pay for security when the continually unattended flaws inherent in the system aren't tackled anyway and do the job for you.

Interesting point. Now I think that some people will have difficulty agreeing with your 2 minutes when nobody is there. Some people don't want others in their homes when they are not there, and 2 minutes might be considered a long time. But I may be mistaken about that. As I said before, for me, your suggestions were fine.

I didn't criticise balloons. I suggested that they could do with a speed option for those times when they really do need to move on a bit more quickly. It seems like common sense to me, considering what I've read in this thread. It seems a bit "I *will* have it my way, dammit!" to insist on continual slow ballooning in all circumstances and, if anyone interferes with it, then *they* are in the wrong. I think a go-faster option makes good sense

Phil Deakins said :

'Interesting point. Now I think that some people will have difficulty agreeing with your 2 minutes when nobody is there. Some people don't want others in their homes when they are not there, and 2 minutes might be considered a long time. But I may be mistaken about that. As I said before, for me, your suggestions were fine.'


I dont know about other users but are people really that worried about others going into their home when they aren't there ?

Its not as if they can smash the windows , steal the family silver or stain the bedsheets.

Personally I'm more concerned about sl issues which spoil my enjoyment when I'm there.

Im sure more people have their pleasure of sl spoiled by one of the umpteen security devices or 'inbuilt' features which ruin travellers enjoyment of sl than those who have visitors when they're not home.

I don't have a home (living room, bedroom, etc.) in SL but I do know that one or two people in this thread have stated that they don't want people spending time in their homes even when they are not there. If I had such a home (and I have had them in the past), I wouldn't want people making use of my stuff as though it's their own. For me, a warning of 2 miinutes would be fine.

If people using your stuff is the problem, then why not put in a script that detects such unauthorized use and teleports home? I'll make one open source if that'd help.

Careful, Maelstrom will AR you for griefing.

I think I'll put a tip jar in my SL living room so those people who feel they should have free access to all my stuff can show their appreciation.

It wouldn't help with the overall situation, as discussed in this thread - and I could write my own if wanted such a script (never even thought of it though).

You could make it 'pay up, or else get booted' tip jar

I think one aspect of all this is the way that different people see/feel about SL. I actually feel that my home (when I had one set up) is almost as personal and private as my RL home, to the extent that it would feel like a violation for people to be there uninvited. They wouldn't even need to use anything there. Just being in 'my place' would feel like a violation of my private space to me. Other people feel differently, as some have said in this thread.

There was a recent thread, asking how people speak of their avs - first person or third person. I think that some people considered them as he or she, rather than I.

Different people see things differently, and nobody can be criticised for seeing things in SL the way they see them. Nobody can be justly criticised for not wanting strangers in their SL homes when they are not there, even for short periods of time.

There's a good idea for a security orb.

"Please deposit L$50 for an addition two minutes".

How do you think that'll go over?

Great idea for a security orb.

I can't wait to hear how that goes over!

So you are going to charge to pass over your land? Extort money from folks to fly freely? What has this world come to? Am I the only one who finds this plain wrong?

I can't answer that last question except to say that you're probably the only who didn't understand it

How about "your two minute grace period for visiting this model home will terminate in 97 seconds. Please pay the tip jar by the door L$10 for each additional fifteen minutes."

that's already built into SL. it's called a land pass.

Land pass doesn't give you two minutes to get away, Bones.

The last few posts might just have invented a new sideline for people, with homes getting more and more 'interesting' stuff in them to keep passers-by there

I wonder if someone could come up a tractor beam to snag the flyers as they come in range.

I don't know, that seems awful cheap.

Not at all. If you are willing to give me equivalent air vehicles to what I have already but with a faster script I will use them when near your land.

Are you sure? I have had to handle griefers with kid gloves at times.

Nice, howabout we flash up big billboards of advertisement ala Minority Report!
A glorious mainland where you have to pay to pass over each plot of land.
Vehicle flight is no more except in sims where you can rent air.
Everyone bunkered down in their plot of land, automated kill robots ready to swat down anyone who stops or passes by.
Hoardes of newbies that never know the joy of exploring, that end up frustrated and leave.

The maturity of SL is complete!

It only has to scare off people who can't afford L$50 a week for a cheapie apartment.

So let me get this straight while I upgrade my free security system about what landowners want and can do in SL under TOS..

1. They want protection between 0m and 4096sq, to keep everyone out potentially.
2. They want the ability, but not required, to specify altitudes that would allow free flight
3. They want a "toll feature" that would threaten to teleport someone home unless they pay a L$ fee to pass at any altitude. Otherwise, they'll have to go around if they are able to get out in time.
4. The default courtesy time will be set to 15 seconds, because that's enough time for everyone to make course corrections. The time can be configured between 0 seconds to infinity seconds depending on the whims of the land owner.
5. Warnings would be given, though if the land owner sets the value less than 1 second, the user might not get the warning.
6. The option to flash advertisement to people who pass over you land, or make them pay a fee to not get an advertisement, or just force them home for not paying.

I could even add in the ability for people to buy mainland flight passes, and then pay people who's land they pass over part of the revenue. It'll be a great money maker!

Actually this would be a wonderful business model and revenue sharing scheme. Blanket the entire mainland grid with these things, and land owners could be making money off their airspace. Many land owners would sign on because it would be free to purchase, and they would get L$ in return from the mainland free-flight passes. These passes would need to be purchased by residents if they want the right to free flight or vehicle travel on the mainland . I would take a small cut for setting up and maintaining the system, and the land owners would get the lion's share of the L$ revenue. Awesome idea. Thanks guys! Land owner's rights rule!

I don't mind. It doesn't hurt me, if I'm not there - and rarely there. Someone should have some fun with it.

I check my visitor list every day and it appears a couple is using it every night for "something." If I'm sleeping soundly in RL, and don't have a clue....what harm does that do?