Skybox Security?

The problem is that nobody in this thread was asking for financial compensation for use of 'their' airspace. And obviously you wouldn't support implementation of such a thing, so your point in bringing it up is completely sarcastic to me.

You go by the assumption that people are being griefed too. I'm sure there are some who set up outrageous security systems, but I don't think that's generally the case. And if you were bothered by someone's system, why not IM them and educate the SL population a bit? If I'd personally set up a security orb it would be within reasonable limits, and in no way do I consider that griefing.

And Hank: I simply felt the topic was adequately discussed and that it was turning into a yes/no game, especially when I read your defense of your proposed 'system' (which, as I said above, I found to be completely sarcastic). I'm just used to forums with tighter control, I wasn't trying to 'censor' anyone for heaven's sake.

I used to do that, until I ran into a few people who responded pretty much like Hank from the other side, and decided dealing with that aggravation wasn't a job I wanted to take on.

Well the implementation would be a resident-run thing, so it would be supported by land owners and flyers that wanted to use it. I would think that if the security system was free, full-featured, easy-to-use and people used it that it would be come popular. Flyers would be estatic because there would be a compromise amongst those that want to fly the skies and land owners that keeps everyone happy. Just because I have a sarcastic tone, doesn't negate the idea.

As for griefing, I think unreasonable expectations by land owners about the time it takes for people to realize that they have trespassed (I still don't believe they have in my view) on their land and the time they are ejected/banned/teleported home. If LL doesn't think it's griefing, then I see no other alternative than the one I have proposed that creates a single standard that everyone (or many people) uses.

Well actually I've been on your side of the discussion Argent. I've been a balloon flier for years, and have run into security systems. Many responses I get are "piss off"-type responses. Besides, who has the time to spend endless hours contacting each individual land owner, waiting for a response...just to fly a short distance? It's not a practical way to fix things by "educating" each individual person. They either won't listen, won't understand the issue (that's been made quite clear in this thread), or just don't give a damn.

The solution in my mind would be to introduce a new security system, run by residents, that's free and makes a lot of people happy as a middle-ground. You can't tell everyone how to configure their purchased systems, but if you can undercut the existing pay systems with a kick-ass free system...then implement standards that are reasonable and makes everyone happy...why not?

ok, well if you don't have your friend's name listed in your profile somewhere, someone is probably messing with you - not saying it is him - hopefully, whoever it was, got their jollies and moved on - but if you want to know who pops into your place while you are gone - you can slide the visitor's list script into the floor of your skybox - and it will read who was there for the day - and you can reset it every time you read it. It's very easy. I think you can get one at the freebie script places. I don't think mine are transferrable.

That's what happened I think. He and I can very easily be linked, even without my profile. And I call him a friend, but we initially started out on a professional basis. That's why I don't think he would do something like that.



I'm not saying it will fix everything, obviously. But you were the one saying you'd AR someone for 'griefing' with their security system. Wouldn't it be more useful to try talking to someone instead of slapping them with an abuse report?

And I honestly still don't believe your suggested system is anything more than sarcasm aimed at insulting landowners. I don't believe you honestly think such a system would work. Who would pay for the right to fly? Noone. I think you'd still be complaining about skyboxes by the way if security orbs didn't exist. If you want an enjoyable flight, there are plenty of sims to do so. I've been to RP sims before specifically to test a new set of wings over a nice landscape.

I understand, you've just been somewhat radicalized. And I'm also pretty sure you're proposing this new system in the spirit of Ken Kesey. It's... definitely electric.

Well I am serious. Well people would pay for the right to fly unimpeded across the mainland without fear of being picked-off by those with security systems designed to prevent flying over the mainland (i.e. the griefer security systems, not all are like that). I think people would pay. Otherwise where does that leave them? They are left with the current situation with land owners who could give a rat's arse about people's ability to fly over the mainland. They'd have to settle for being able to fly a few sims, and then having to start all over again somewhere else...and if they are in a group, spend all their time trying to get their group back together again. If they could pay a small amount of L$ for unrestricted access to the skies, then it might be a happy compromise between griefer landowners and innocent flyers. Money talks.

I wouldn't. For people who actually required payment to fly over their parcel *at all*, I'd AR them for extortion. For the rest it wouldn't be any worse than it is now, and likely better.

Good idea Mila...myself and my partner do.

Im the first to put my lindens into any place that is interesting to look around.

what about the buy a pass option ?? That exists as a choice...not that Id ever pay for a pass to purely fly over someones land.

I can fly over that.

you fiendish flying ferret...

rats Im now thinking of a flying fortress full of fiendish ferrets flying furiously....

Does anyone think there's any point in pursuing the idea that Hank came up with - where security devices broadcast at regular and frequent intervals on a 'standard' channel, and aircraft monitor the channel for upcoming devices? It wouldn't be a quick fix but it could spread and become a standard over time.

No.

Why not?

Well, I for one think the discussion should stay open.

I mean, last night I encountered a "will eject you in 10 seconds" security orb while flying over the WINTERFEST sims, fercornsake.

!!!!!!!!!!!!

It would be like having a radar detector that went off every time the traffic lights changed... on any street in a quarter of a mile...

If such a thing wouldn't suit you, fair enough. I thought it had the makings of a good idea.

Would it be more suitable if it's the aircraft that broadcasts, and the security device responds? It wouldn't really be any different, would it.

I hope that the 10 seconds was enough time to continue and get out of range.

I think it could be useful, but only if it became "standard" enough to actually predict most of the prohibited space ahead. It would have to broadcast the solid geometry of the no-pass space (presumably in global coordinates because it would have to span sims), and the vehicle script would have to keep track of whether control was straying into any such spaces (and otherwise just keep quiet about it).

One downside of this approach is that it broadcasts to the world which landowners have stuff they think they should hide, and exactly where to put one's cam to see it. The very existence of a security device does this too, of course, but you have to actually run into it to find the secret lair.

Yes, it wasn't one of those that SAY 10 seconds but actually instant-eject.

But, come ON...in the Winterfest sims, someone needs to eject visitors???

Well I was thinking some simplier, where the land owner(s) in the sim would broadcast elevations that were "clear" for travel. The flyer would wear a hud (or place a simple script in whatever prim) that would inform them of "safe" altitudes for flight and travel as well as their current altitude. Something along those lines, rather than an exact calculation of all space they could travel as that would be much, much more complicated to calculate and keep track of as well as navigate. This would assume that everyone allowed some elevations of clear travel.

As for charging, well how would you get people to use such a notification system? Why wouldn't people just opt for a security system that teleports-home at all elevations (just to be an ass/griefer)? Well the answer is money. The incentive for a land owner to use such a system is that they get to share in the L$ pot made up of flyers that buy world-wide mainland flight passes. Then they'd be willing to use the standardized security system, which would require some amount of safe passage for everyone to pass through if they had bought a pass.