Skybox Security?

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Porky Pig: Y-y-ye... Oh sure.

Duck Dodgers: Well, I wish you'd explain it to me some time, buster!

Porky Pig: Why, it's very simple, sir.

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Duck Dodgers: Hey, wait a minute. I think I've got it. I'll just bet that if we follow those planets, we'll find Planet X. Gad! How do I do it?

Porky Pig: I d-d-don't know.

Steady on Argent you'll have Deakins and his cronies accusing me of wanting to engage the Martians in a battle for the shaving foam atom next.

And he'll be asking you what that's got to do with anything....

And Maybe I can get Ms Zenovka to be my flight navigator.....

Its Maelstrom Janus in the Twenty Four and a half Century.....

Acceptance is the first step.

I think there are eleven more steps, but I forget; they revoked my Perverts Anonymous membership.

I'm not. Hank came up with a couple of ideas - perhaps that's what you mean. But if I'd had any ideas, I would have posted them because this is the only time that I've ever become aware that some people have problems with security devices. Early in the thread, I said that 10-15 seconds is sufficient warning, but because of this thread, I now think that more time is needed. I still think that landowner rights far outweigh any rights that flyers think they have, even if they had them.

I suggested ARing it if it gave you no warning, but I also suggest contacting its owner first - s/he may not even be aware that is causes a problem and may be happy to set a warning period. That's what I did once, and the owner changed the setting.

You already have "free access to fly in sl without being crashed out by someone's nutcase security device". There are plenty of sims where you can do that. But what you actually want is free access to fly wherever you want etc. That's a bit different because it's something that you'll never have - and neither should you have it. If nothing less will satisfy you, find something else to do in SL. Or... state that all you want is time to move on when you hit a security device. I've already agreed with allowing suitable time to move on.

Ah but you forget that, in forums, you actually have to say what you mean if you want it to be understood. If all your bothered about seeing is buildings in the sky, then back away from skyboxes that look like they are homes. It's perfectly simple. You have no business examining them, so back away or fly on.

/throws fuel on fire


Sorry, but if you left it rezzed in-world, I'm going to look at it. If you don't want anyone looking at it, live on a hidden private island.

You can look at it but, if you encounter a warning from a security device, move on and don't complain

well if you agreed with me STOP ARGUING WITH ME ....in my book youre a time waster arguing for the sake of it in a situation you claim youre happy with... in my book youre perpetuating a fight just for the sake of it. Youve argued with me, youve argued with Argent Stonecutter and yet you perpetuate this myth that things as far as youre concerned are fine. You merely inflame a situation people who DO care are passionately concerned about. I'll make it easy with you and add you to my ignore list...

If you didn't write stupid things, there would ne need to argue with you. But it was you who started to argue with me - more like, have a pop at me, but it amounts to the same thing. Go back and look

Now as I was saying before someone claiming not to have cared interupted me...

life for people into aviation or in fact any form of travel is difficult enough... we don't see enough transport moving around sl - why because there are so many hinderances to it.

Security devices hinder people who want to enjoy exploring sl or using travel not only that of course I make an extremist stand...why because I dont want to be frozen and forced to reboot when Im simply flying around sl.

The security tools are there inbuilt for anyone who needs them and Id be the first to agree with anyone who says place a ban on anyone who refuses to leave when politely asked.

Security bots do not politely ask nor do they give sufficient time.

Deakins can mutter on that he's happy cos clearly he hasnt got a clue whats going on in sl or what there is to see and explore.

In the last few pages, someone wrote that it's people like Hank and Maelstrom who have radicalized him/her the opposite way to them. I agree with it. Much earlier in the thread, Hank seemed to do his nut but it was like a sideshow, but Maelstrom has made it personal. Before his stupidy, I was of a mind to try and accomodate flyers, and considered the possibility of making changes to the security device that I sell. But not now. The default setting is very low compared to what some flyers have said is needed, and I'll leave it like that. The most important people are those who own or rent their space.

He has me on ignore now, so I'll refer to him in the 3rd person

He is wrong. There are no built-in security tools above banlines that can prevent people from using a landowner's skybox and what's inside it, when the landowner isn't there. Security devices are the only means of preventing it. Some people aren't bothered and some people are.

SLs new range of avys for those who dont 'care' about sl flight...

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http://perrysburgblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/dodo.jpg

(I think I'll name mine Deakins)

and for the SL security conscious :

http://z.about.com/d/healing/1/0/S/O/gtotem_tortoise.jpg

Phil - where? I have a balloon and a hover bike. I don't know I'm about to hit banlines until I hit them. And I don't have esP to tell me where a security orb is in place either. I also don't have an infinite map to SL to tell me where sims are that are free of all these.

Security orbs are all good and well, and yes everybody has the right to protect their home. (Even though griefers can invariably find a way round this) but some people set their orbs at such silly warning levels that is almost makes a mockery of the whole thing. I'm sorry but I don't know I'm about to walk or fly in to your private space unless you put a big sign up saying so. So I have to be guided by what I am told. When I'm on my balloon I don't want to be thousands of metres in the air - I want to be able to admire the SL scenery. I don't care about peaking in to houses or any nonsense like that. I just want to fly and admire some of the lovely scenery that SL has to offer. This is virtually impossible when I am forever hitting orbs set at 2 seconds!

This doesn't even give you the change to read the warning before ejecting you somewhere so yes, these IMO are unreasonable.

I totally agree that we should have some security for our homes if we feel we need it. I myself have had my home invaded by a griefer, and that was through a security door. BUT we also live (or so I thought) in a society where intelligent people should get along and help each other.

There are any number of flying machines in SL, and most people who buy these only want to be able to fly them. After all, you don't need to spend mega lindens simply to pry into someones personal space. There has to be a better way to allow people to fly these things than their is now. I think I've managed 2-3 successful trips in my balloon against 5-8 Unsuccessful ones.

lol you got any idea how long it'll take to get my balloon up that high

No, I just thought you were being disingenuous, that's all.

Is it the case that you want " to explore SL by travelling from A to Z by way of the intervening letters of the alphabet" regardless of whether anyone who happens to own land in one of these intervening letters wants you on their land (or over it), because your wishes trump theirs every time?

That brings us back to my original point. There is a reason ban-lines don't extend up to 4096m. It's there on purpose; it's not a mistake. If they wanted mainland to be impassible by people flying, then they would have extended the ban-lines to 4096m, and vehicular traffic would be dead.

It was a reply to him saying that he wanted to fly vehicles to see how they fly. Earlier in the thread, people mentioned Blakes Sea, which is a set of water sims with no obstructions to flying. There's plenty space there for him to see how vehicles fly.

That's true, and nobody has attemtped to deny it.

Nobody should set their devices at such a short warning period, but some do. Nobody here has defended the practise. The low level flying that you enjoy can't often be disturbed by skyboxes, which it the subject of this thread.

Everyone here agrees, I think.

The problem with that, that I've seen in this thread (by a *very* few people), is that some flyers don't want to get along and help each other. They want to have it all their own way - any elevation they please and minutes to get out of the way - when some people have homes at some elevations, and prefer that other people don't stay in them for minutes. Different people have different feelings about things like their homes in SL. It's not flyers passing by that are the problem - it's people dropping in and staying that some people don't want.

Imo, it's not the flyers who want to pry. It's dickheads. But setting a warning period for dickheads, that would satisfy an owner, would be setting it too short for flyers, and at least one flyer here (a balloon flyer) doesn't even see the sense in adding a go-faster option for when he runs into a warning. He wants to float slowly across without being booted. He doesn't want to get along and help each other either. There have been very few flyers posting in this thread and all but one of them don't seem to want to get along and help people (compromise). They seem to want it all their own way, regardless of the wishes of the people who own the land where they are flying.

One of them said in a very recent post that I don't care. He obviously doesn't understand english because he was referring to me saying that I'm content the way things are and that it's him who isn't content. But I do care. I was wondering if and how I could change the security device that I sell, to better accomodate flyers. I resurrected Hank's idea and wondered if a 'standard' could be arrived at and spread. But, unfortunately, flyers have been badly represented in this discussion, and have certainly aliented me.

ETA:
You do seem to be someone who is open to reasonable discussion, Cully. The flying lobby could do with more people like you As I said, the discussion in this thread caused me to consider ways in which I could make a difference, however slight. Earlier I'd said that, if I turn my device on, I'll set the warning period at a suitable length for flyers (much longer than it's currently set at). But the later bad flyer respresentation has changed my mind to "stuff 'em".

A couple of days ago, I said I'd put in a support ticket asking what the policy was. I've just had a reply. Since I didn't ask for permission to quote it verbatim on the forums, I'll paraphrase it; no written policy on security orbs of which Customer Support is aware, though 30 seconds' warning before ejection "sounds reasonable" and warnings should only be issued if the person is on your land. Nor is there any altitude limit, of which they're aware, above which these things should not be used.

The reply ends, "Should someone claim that is not the case, please ask them for a link to official Linden Lab documentation",

They don't want mainland to be impassable by people flying. I'm not aware of anyone wanting that. But it doesn't mean that LL wants everyone to have complete freedom in mainland airspace.

Ty, Innula. It's what most of us believed to be true.

30 seconds sounds fine...beats the 10 secs Ive always come up against hitting these things....

Did the Linden you got that quote from have experience with actually flying vehicles in SL?

In other words, was it someone like Frontier Linden who might actually know what they're talking about?

No idea, Argent.. I just put in a support ticket asking what, if anything, the policy was, and it would seem the only official policy is don't send warnings to people who aren't over your land and allow a "reasonable" amount of time before ejecting people, whatever "reasonable" might mean.