Skybox Security?

And yet many people are not comfortable with an SL audience when doing and/or typing things, even though they are completely anonymous. Strange, huh?

But it's not just that. Even though it's only virtual, I prefer that strangers do not use my stuff as though it's their own. I don't think that's an uncommon, or unreasonable, preference.

It varies. I've yet to encounter one on Zindra, strangely enough (or perhaps not?). On the Atoll, it's pretty common... probably every half-hour of flying, on average. It would be more frequent, I'm sure, if I hung around anywhere long enough for the sensors to detect me (so balloons probably have it worse, although I'm not sure high-altitude balloons are all that popular).

It is just one of the perils; SVC-22 gets me more often than security devices. Cumulatively, it's very frustrating, and I can't honestly say whether flyers would be more or less aggravated by security systems if everything else worked perfectly.

Nice job completely missing my point. The point was that people are people, no matter if they logged in to SL or RL.

What's SVC-22? Something like Catch 22?

From what's been posted in this thread, I'm surprised that it's as little as every 30 minutes of such flying on average. It doesn't sound bad enough to cause the sort of fuss that we've seen from Hank. And surely slow balloon fliers must stay near the ground, where skyboxes are highly unlikey to be, or there seems no point in flying them. I would have thought that it's a pleasant float through the landscape that appeals to them.

Umm - you do know that you don't have to log into RL, don't you?

Your pref maybe but do not assume everyone shares it. I would not mind at all if someone camped out on my treehouse when I was not there.

Okay, you know owe me a vitamin water.

I don't assume that everyone shares it. I said that it's not an uncommon, or unreasonable, preference.

Phil, you admit early in this thread that you yourself do not go exploring in vehicles so it is not surprising that you are unfamiliar with the extent of the problems encountered by those who do. The situations described by Argent and Qie are all too familiar to me too.

Ideally, everybody who uses security devices would use them responsibly and thoughtfully but that's just not the case. I have encountered them at every conceivable height and as I said in a previous post, I have NEVER managed to get out of the way of one before it booted me. Sometimes they give some warning, but I never know which direction to move in, or I miss the pop-up among one or two others. Other times they seem to give no warning whatsoever. I have lost a few vehicles this way.

I don't think they should be banned altogether - I can see how a thoughtfully configured security device can be very valuable, but most are not thoughtfully configured. There are loads of skyboxes at very low altitudes with security orbs that give a rude message followed by a TP home on a 5 second warning. Part of the problem is that, like banlines, those who use them don't see the effects.

There seems to be a discrepancy between what vehicle users on the one hand and security orb users on the other consider a reasonable warning time.

It's true that I don't see what difficulties occur, spinster, and I haven't disagreed with any comments about badly setup security devices. We've only been discussing sensible use of them; i.e. warnings followed by a boot if they are not heeded, with ample time for them to be heeded. I've come across the instant boot in the past when flying over a 32m wide parcel. There wasn't time to even fly across it before being TPed home. That's not on. I IMed the owner and he altered it. I know that they can be set up badly and I'm against that. It's the sensible use of them that we're discussing.

I read about security bee hives/wasp nest on xstreetsl. They don't tp the intruder home, but nudge him/her and make high annoying sound. And follow until they have chased the intruder over the property line, and a short time after. I don't think they fly fast enough to catch a plane.

They are more for the curious guy who want to find a place to stay when the owner isn't there. If land is set to damage, they can "kill" if the intruder don't go away. That won't happen so fast. I have been attacked by them a few times. The benefit is that you aren't sent home, but can walk or fly away and continue what you are doing.

There are malls in skyboxes all the way to 3000 meters in some sims.

Well quit assuming that and actually read what I'm writing, because I *said* the mall was in a bloody skybox in the first place.

(yes, I know that you wrote "impression" not "assumption", but you sure seem to be reading through some kind of filter)

If there's no people in it, you probably won't *see* it until you're within a few dozen meters of it. Suddenly there's a voice from god tell you to go some undefined direction or you'll be shot down, when you had no idea there was anything there. If you're going to set the limits past the borders of the skybox, give us a couple of minutes to figure out where the hell you are.

Free perfect security updated to give instant message warning about where they are intruding (region and their position), default to 30 seconds warning, only cares if they are over the owner's land. Scans entire area from 0m to 4096 rather than just 96m using temp-on-rez hunters.

There's three kinds of recreational flying in SL. Well, four if you count combat.

One, there's exploring the grid, low level, low speed. I like to use a balloon for that. or my glider. Max speed is less than 10 m/s. My glider's default speed is 8 m/s, and I still have to circle at a sim border sometimes to get stuff to rez. Low speed, long draw distance.

Two, there's the SL equivalent of airline pilot simulators. You pick a starting point and a target, and fly from one to the other. You fly to a cruising altitude and speed and follow a flight plan. This is high speed travel with a short draw distance.

Three, there's aerobatics. I do a bit of this, but usually in an empty sim, like linden ocean.

Four, there's combat. Don't ask me what speeds or draw distance people use for that, I don't know.

Maybe we need to ask LL for a fly zone where TP and push aren't allowed. That way you can make builds, but security devices wont harm fliers. I think it would be great if they did that on waterways and roads as well.






Is there any way to send a particle beam to give a visual as to where the device is, so people can go in opposite direction?

That is NOT my experience.

I get a message that basically says "leave in 10-20 seconds" and then I'm booted. No warnings. No time to get out. I don't recall EVER running into a security system with multiple warnings and a reasonable time limit.

What does being near the ground have to do with whether you get hit by security scripts? Those beggers are running at all levels.

"Properly and reasonably configured" is the operative phrase here. Extending the radius of the security system dozens of meters outside a skybox is kind of jerky, isn't it?

My experience is that stuff usually rezzes well before I'm about to run into it, but I use pretty long draw distances.

Might be a good idea, but I'm not very good with particles. If anyone has some code I can add it.

This might be far fetched, but it might be good to come up with a "Radar HUD" to know if you are approaching such an area. We could come up with a protocol.

Maybe 60 seconds would be better. But I doubt people would set it that high. They are "worried" that someone might be able to "toss something" within that time on their prim bed, LOL

You sound like you enjoy flying. Can you give me a suggestion on what a good beginner AC would be? I want to start flying after all this talk, regardless of stupid security system setups.

Oh, I have had some tell me I have 1 minute to leave their airspace. Then boot me in 20 seconds.

Bad design. As of the current version, it stores the actual time the person trespassed, so it can't make a mistake on how long you have been there. And if you leave, it stops harassing you.

60 sec would be good, and a particle beam for a lighthouse effect for fliers could be helpful. Maybe make it so the boot effect can be turned off separately so the particle beam can warn people even when you are away(assuming a reasonable person owns it).

Yep. I just went back to check before I read past your first sentence and you did say skybox mall. I missed it - my apologies. It does seem like an invention just to argue a point though. And don't tell me that you know of a skymall with a security-installed skybox 30m from it. One may exist but it doesn't matter. If you know of one, my suggestion is to avoid it. If you don't know of one, then my incling that you are making things up, just for the sake of arguing, is correct.

I don't think you and I have anything left to discuss on this topic. It seems to me that you want it all, and you can't have it all. That's all there is.