Tinies, Babies, kids and more.. Please give me a breakdown
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10-24-2007 14:14
From: Yumi Murakami Things aren't as simple as, either you want to do them, or you don't. There's always a mixture.
Well, would you normally talk to your RL friends using a strange, artifically put-on dialect (not the same as your natural accent or dialect), just to show them how different from them you are? god leave her alone. what is wrong with you. if you dont like how she talks then dont read her posts no one is forcing you you know?
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10-24-2007 14:14
this thread is complete crap and thats why i wont be posting anything constructive on it. Having fun?
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10-24-2007 14:29
From: Yumi Murakami
Well, would you normally talk to your RL friends using a strange, artifically put-on dialect (not the same as your natural accent or dialect), just to show them how different from them you are?
Actually I've been known to do that.... 
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10-24-2007 14:36
From: Marianne McCann <snippety-snip> If you don't like someone speaking in 'ikklespeak' (I'm making up a new term here), then you have several options.
<snip> I'll gladly pick up this new word and take care of it! 
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10-24-2007 15:03
From: Yumi Murakami Things aren't as simple as, either you want to do them, or you don't. There's always a mixture.
Well, would you normally talk to your RL friends using a strange, artifically put-on dialect (not the same as your natural accent or dialect), just to show them how different from them you are? Lord, what is your problem, and what harm is any of this doing you? You dislike difference? How sad. For you. Oh, and I can think of several words I might use, but won't. There are children present  )
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10-24-2007 15:15
From: Chas Connolly Lord, what is your problem, and what harm is any of this doing you? You dislike difference? How sad. For you. I don't dislike difference at all! All I'm saying is that role-playing is based around the idea of a social contract. All the people involved get together and decide to behave as if certain things are true because they're all enjoying it. But, as I've said, some people in SL don't seem to act in a way conversant with this. They approach groups with a social contract on the basis of "I get to be whatever I want, no matter what you think, and never mind the rest of you." And the two groups that do this often, as I said, are child avs and submissives. I wasn't saying that Marianne particularly role-played this way - I have no idea how she does. I _was_ using the example of the way she posts on the forum because it's an obvious case - nobody else is posting with in-character accents, so, why should she be special? And this is nothing personal against Marianne, it would apply to everyone who posts in that kind of way. Difference is great but *everyone* should get to do it, not just a few 
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10-24-2007 15:22
From: Yumi Murakami They approach groups with a social contract on the basis of "I get to be whatever I want, no matter what you think, and never mind the rest of you." And the two groups that do this often, as I said, are child avs and submissives." ohhh good then you DO understand how it works. We can do whatever we want as long as its not hurting anyone else. And we dont have to care about what you think. And yes nevermind the rest of you. ohh thank goodness you do get it. And now kindly get over it.
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10-24-2007 15:30
From: Yumi Murakami I don't dislike difference at all! All I'm saying is that role-playing is based around the idea of a social contract. All the people involved get together and decide to behave as if certain things are true because they're all enjoying it. But, as I've said, some people in SL don't seem to act in a way conversant with this. They approach groups with a social contract on the basis of "I get to be whatever I want, no matter what you think, and never mind the rest of you." And the two groups that do this often, as I said, are child avs and submissives. I wasn't saying that Marianne particularly role-played this way - I have no idea how she does. I _was_ using the example of the way she posts on the forum because it's an obvious case - nobody else is posting with in-character accents, so, why should she be special? And this is nothing personal against Marianne, it would apply to everyone who posts in that kind of way. Difference is great but *everyone* should get to do it, not just a few  And if you hung around a good group of role-players that do it long enough you will notice they use speech patterns and mannerisms from the games. I can think of a good example in the shadowrun pen and paper game for instance. It was not uncommon for those that played and read the novels and literature to use the slang and bywords in common speech. Besides your first reaction is it's in character, never mind some people do have 'accents' that carry over to their writing style. I know I have a bad tendency to use southern speech patterns and wordings when typing due to where I live when typing in conversations. So don't assume it's in character, some is their accent and possibly a lack of understanding of english due to it being a second language (and one of the hardest to learn for non-native speakers... not surprising considering how hard proper English is to learn for native speakers)
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10-24-2007 15:37
From: Jezabell Barbosa In RL I avoid vampires - I have many vampire friends in SL. They turn my crank. In real, I would have to place a stake in the heart of the vampires running around. Ah! The Children of the Night and all their associates.
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10-24-2007 15:37
anyway Yumi gave it away by saying this: From: Yumi Murakami Difference is great but *everyone* should get to do it, not just a few  yah no kidding? and who is stopping you from being different and doing what you really want to other then yourself and your own fears of being ridiculed? so as solution you enjoy nit picking on littles and submissives for daring to have the bravery to stand up and be who they choose (even in the midst of a witch hunt?) brave in a way you can not be. wow just wow. ya know no one is stopping you from doing what you want and you dont have a right to force your uptight beliefs on the rest of us. please just spare me.
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10-24-2007 15:43
From: Yumi Murakami Things aren't as simple as, either you want to do them, or you don't. There's always a mixture.
Well, would you normally talk to your RL friends using a strange, artifically put-on dialect (not the same as your natural accent or dialect), just to show them how different from them you are? Yumi is correct in that child "goo-goo" talk in SL is NOT dialect. Dialect is a regional accent and vocabulary. Nor is it a "Second Language" which is recognized term for speakers who have a First Language and speak another language or are learning one. Child or shrunken avatars would - presumably - raised in sl have the regional dialect spoken by adults. Child avatars simply speak BAD or juvenile English/German/French/Maori etc languages and should be corrected at every opportunity by adults who find baby-talk aggravating and irritating.
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10-24-2007 15:43
From: Yumi Murakami I don't dislike difference at all! All I'm saying is that role-playing is based around the idea of a social contract. All the people involved get together and decide to behave as if certain things are true because they're all enjoying it. But, as I've said, some people in SL don't seem to act in a way conversant with this. They approach groups with a social contract on the basis of "I get to be whatever I want, no matter what you think, and never mind the rest of you." And the two groups that do this often, as I said, are child avs and submissives. I wasn't saying that Marianne particularly role-played this way - I have no idea how she does. I _was_ using the example of the way she posts on the forum because it's an obvious case - nobody else is posting with in-character accents, so, why should she be special? And this is nothing personal against Marianne, it would apply to everyone who posts in that kind of way. Difference is great but *everyone* should get to do it, not just a few  I know for a fact tht some people in SL are always 'in character' as that is what SL allows them to do. Be their SL selves. Whether you role play with them is entirely besides the point ... rarther like this post. I have to lie down now. My head is hurting 
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10-24-2007 15:44
Who is stopping anyone from staying in character when they post here? Marianne does it because she prefers to. she isn't given any special license to. Sometimes Michael reflects his Android charcter more outwardly. The Cat ladies express their Feline sides at times. Jumpman used his 49 cent gangsta schtick. Who cares? If it bothers you, don't read it. We had similar nonsense when one of the subs intimated that her posts were being made with the aprroval of her Mistress. People went nuts. WHO CARES? I admit it sometimes on mornings when I haven't had a lot of sleep, Mari's posts can make my eyes bleed, I sometimes have to read them twice..*sorry, honey* But it's no big deal. Just like in world, if I come across people RP ing in general areas and it annoys me, I either politely inform them or I move on. I find it ludicrous that people are chastising someone for excessive roleplaying in what is essentially nothing but a big Role Play to begin with. People, if someone plays Second Life in a way that you don't like, and they aren't violating any rules, and aren't infringing on your enjoynent mind your business, let them play. You don't have to accept, but you should tolerate.
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10-24-2007 15:49
Panties! ----------- Why's it all Brenda's fault?
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10-24-2007 15:51
From: Brenda Connolly People, if someone plays Second Life in a way that you don't like, and they aren't violating any rules, and aren't infringing on your enjoynent mind your business, let them play. You don't have to accept, but you should tolerate. I agree to a point BUT I do think that "tolerance" is a word bandied about far too easily in real life and even here. By suggesting that if "we don't accept" then we should be tolerant is qualifying our non-acceptance. I am Not opposed to child-avatars per se but am amused by horrified reactions or stern rebukes when people (like myself) find them just a wee bit creepy or a little bit too Wendy-in-Peter-Pan land for themselves. I Know. I know. I should be tolerant - after all, I am a Neko. But I am a Neko adult and I ate the last Neko Kitten I met.
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precisely....
10-24-2007 15:51
i have mentioned once or twice i find "child" avs to be "not my cup of tea"...but i dont abuse them in anyway...even when there were "age-players" in the more disgusting sense of the word in world, i simply moved on when i saw one...and that end of the spectrum i find personally revolting!
it isnt painful to be civil to people...
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10-24-2007 15:51
From: errUh Oh anyway Yumi gave it away by saying this:
yah no kidding? and who is stopping you from being different and doing what you really want to other then yourself and your own fears of being ridiculed? so as solution you enjoy nit picking on littles and submissives for daring to have the bravery to stand up and be who they choose (even in the midst of a witch hunt?) brave in a way you can not be. wow just wow. ya know no one is stopping you from doing what you want and you dont have a right to force your uptight beliefs on the rest of us. please just spare me. On M*A*S*H* Frank Burns once said "I'm all for individuality, as long as we do it together". Just as in some of the Gor and BDSM threads and even the Is it Cheating discussions, some of the Self Righteous Stone Throwing being exhibited is mind boggling.
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10-24-2007 15:55
From: Brenda Connolly On M*A*S*H* Frank Burns once said "I'm all for individuality, as long as we do it together".
Just as in some of the Gor and BDSM threads and even the Is it Cheating discussions, some of the Self Righteous Stone Throwing being exhibited is mind boggling. I don't think we are throwing stones here. I certainly am no saint - nor do I profess to be. I just feel that the child in all of us should be more "guarded" by our adult inner-self and not promote itself to all of us in sl. I think we should tolerate a great number of behavioural extremes here but we must also be prepared for criticism and even disgust when we face others in sl. I knew a man who was literally sickened by my Neko avatar and became thoroughly obnoxious about me losing my femininity and womanliness when I was a Neko. I often "egged him on" just to rattle his cage.
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10-24-2007 15:59
From: Jig Chippewa I agree to a point BUT I do think that "tolerance" is a word bandied about far too easily in real life and even here. By suggesting that if "we don't accept" then we should be tolerant is qualifying our non-acceptance. I am Not opposed to child-avatars per se but am amused by horrified reactions or stern rebukes when people (like myself) find them just a wee bit creepy or a little bit too Wendy-in-Peter-Pan land for themselves. I Know. I know. I should be tolerant - after all, I am a Neko. But I am a Neko adult and I ate the last Neko Kitten I met. I don't accept the teachings of the Koran, nor the Torah, or Creationism for that matter. Does that mean I should not tolerate those that do? And is my non acceptance being qualified by tolerating them. You are free to feel creeped out, and to avoid associating them, that's your right. You can even voice that sentiment on this Forum. But to want to abridge their right to use SL as they care to, as some seem to want to, is wrong. And because in these cases a lot of those who do are themselves Role Playing assorted chracters or Alternative Lifestyles is just hypocrisy.
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10-24-2007 16:00
From: errUh Oh yah no kidding? and who is stopping you from being different and doing what you really want to other then yourself and your own fears of being ridiculed?
I don't role-play around people who don't show any interest in role-playing, because although I have my preferences, I believe I have no right to impose them on others. I don't see what's so shameful or cowardly about that, sorry 
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10-24-2007 16:01
From: Jig Chippewa I don't think we are throwing stones here. I certainly am no saint - nor do I profess to be. I just feel that the child in all of us should be more "guarded" by our adult inner-self and not promote itself to all of us in sl. I think we should tolerate a great number of behavioural extremes here but we must also be prepared for criticism and even disgust when we face others in sl. I knew a man who was literally sickened by my Neko avatar and became thoroughly obnoxious about me losing my femininity and womanliness when I was a Neko. I often "egged him on" just to rattle his cage. you are off your nut when you make statements like "I just feel that the child in all of us should be more "guarded" by our adult inner-self and not promote itself to all of us in sl" i mean honestly how do you even respond to a statement like that without choking on your diet coke. "we must also be prepared for criticism and even disgust when we face others in sl" yah thats fine thats what the mute button is for.
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10-24-2007 16:03
From: errUh Oh you are off your nut when you make statements like "I just feel that the child in all of us should be more "guarded" by our adult inner-self and not promote itself to all of us in sl"
i mean honestly how do you even respond to a statement like that without choking on your diet coke.
"we must also be prepared for criticism and even disgust when we face others in sl"
yah thats fine thats what the mute button is for. Wow ErrUhh - your tolerance is astonishing. Thank God we have people like YOU in SL. I promise I will be less outspoken in future.
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10-24-2007 16:03
From: Jig Chippewa I think we should tolerate a great number of behavioural extremes here but we must also be prepared for criticism and even disgust when we face others in sl. Very true. And that is something I think Mari and most of her friends have done so eloquently, along with some of the other groups who seem to be the rotating targets.
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10-24-2007 16:04
From: Yumi Murakami I don't role-play around people who don't show any interest in role-playing, because although I have my preferences, I believe I have no right to impose them on others. I don't see what's so shameful or cowardly about that, sorry  well the problem is you think anyone cares you are standing there when in fact i doubt anyone notices you. if you dont like the roleplay going on around you use your mute button. thats kind of a duh thing. instead of debating on the legitimacy of another adults rp. You waste your own time and youre wasting mine for having to post this when it should be the obvious solution.
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10-24-2007 16:05
From: errUh Oh well the problem is you think anyone cares you are standing there when in fact i doubt anyone notices you. if you dont like the roleplay going on around you use your mute button. thats kind of a duh thing. Not if the problem isn't one that's solved by silencing it, or if the person who's doing it is saying valuable things too..
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