Tinies, Babies, kids and more.. Please give me a breakdown

not totally safe

On the frivolous lawsuit issue, I think more the fear is that a frivolous charge regarding child pornography would be devastating to the defendant, even if it was found to be frivolous in court.



This kind of thing is exactly the attitude that makes some people who are not at all worried about sex, still dislike child avatars. Mari has already been role-playing a child here by using words like "dat" and "waaay" even though this is an OOC discussion between adults, and now Katryna is not only role-playing in the forum, but is telling other people that _their_ role-play is wrong (I believe the classic phrase used by roleplayers is "bad wrong fun" and hers is right.

This attitude, that having a particular avatar gives you the right to determine that a social situation with others should evolve and treat you in a particular way, even if all of the other people involved aren't interested or aren't role-playing, occurs from time to time all over the grid but seems particularly endemic among child avatars.

(Oh, and by the way, "fairy" is a generic term, and classically a pillywiggin - ie, the type of fairy that looks like a young girl with wings - should be only a few inches tall, not even 3'9. So naa. *sticks out her tongue* )

As tall as me!



Actually, I often write like dat (oops!) even when not RPing, thoguh ya, it's my usual voice inworld. Sorry!



Dun impose yer role playin' on us!

Mari

OH PLEASE!!

We're going to go after them for using "Dat" and "Dis" now?

When are we going to go after the ADULTS from english speaking countries who use FAR WORSE written english.

They must outnumber the kid avatars 10 to 1.

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U kno wha' I m3an?

Kewl.

Baby Hitler. Baby Hitler. Baby Hitler. Baby Hitler..........

Planning your Halloween costume? Wish I'd thought of it first!

lol good luck with that... I can imagine that would get AR'd pretty quick.

Hee... Been waitin to Godwin dis, huh?

GIS for Baby Hitler:
http://earl402.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/hitler1jpg.jpg

Mari

If you don't like an RP'd speech pattern that is clear and understandable, you could always just ignore it, you know.

That's what I generally do... the mute feature works wonders.

OT: I voted for your picture, Marianne...and when I did, you were WAY ahead in the polls.
Way to go, sweetie!

ROFL. I was gonna put up the Cartman as Hitler Pic, but that one is even better. yeah when the conversation turned to AR'ing Kiddie Speak, I thought it was time.

Thankoo! I figgure it's still early in the votin', but I'm keepin' my fingers crossed!

Mari

I dont think anyone really has a legitimate problem with Kiddie Speak.

They just are prejudiced against Child Avs and are rationalizing it.

I hope noone really has a problem with kiddie speak... I find it rather cute... lol.. but if they do then.. uuhhh... iono... to each there own, yeah?

It might be early, but the figures look good!

It's not so much about being "prejudiced against kiddie speak" as about the attitudes and treatment of the contexts.

I myself have no problem with Marianne's way of typing here, but I'm just pointing it out as an example of the attitude. When was the last time you saw a furry avatar insert wuffs or growly accents into their forum posts? Or maybe a fantasy avatar use "ye" on the forums?

If someone - like, say, my boss - enjoys dressing up as Elvis and singing along at the office parties, then that's fine. But that doesn't mean they should do it at business meetings, or just with random groups in the corridor!

Pretend games are great fun, but it's not always time for them. And child avs tend to try to pull other people into their pretend games no matter what the context. I don't know _why_ child avs do this, but I'm guessing it's because they feel that "child" is somehow a more "realistic" role than others, or that it doesn't infringe on others (ie, it isn't as if they're playing a queen and asking people to bow before them). Child avs are by no means the _only_ ones who do this - the other classic examples are "subs" who, when they do something wrong, insist that you cannot blame them as a person but instead have to go to their "owner" so that they can be "punished". That's possibly more offensive too because of the sexual connotations but the idea is the same - they're playing their role and they expect you to respect it, whether you want to or not, and role-playing isn't supposed to work like that; it's supposed to be mutual, and if it's not mutual, you BOTH stop. Many don't even carry forward the same expectation to others (at least once I've seen a child av insist on members of a group 'talking down' to him, yet didn't even bat an eyelid at the talking fox!)

That's not true in every case... the "kiddie speak" is usually pretty poorly done, and can sometimes be pretty obnoxious. There are some I have come across in my wanderings that pull it off in a much more realistic manner... but that sure as hell hasn't been the majority of my experience with it.

I would consider the stance you have taken against kid avatars in a half dozen threads to be prejudicial.

Especially the part about being afraid they will do something sexual at any moment and get you in trouble.

Perhaps you are not prejudiced against Child avatars and only come off that way when it is brought up.

If you do not wish to respond to someone's roleplay then don't, speak to them as you would anyone else. Or else ignore them.

Adult speak in SL is often pretty poorly done, and sometimes can be pretty obnoxious. There are some adults I have come across in my wanderings who can talk text speech and I can understand it ... but that sure as hell hasn't been the majority of my experience with those who use it.

I see your point, Yumi...but I'm in character when I post here under my SL name, just as much as when I'm in-world. You just don't notice it as much, because my character doesn't call for use of dialect.

When it comes down to it, we're all in character here...or is "Yumi Murakami" your RL name? No? I didn't think so.

It might be time for a little self-examination, dear...try to find out why it is that you find some characters easy to deal with, and others irritating. I'm not criticizing...just sayin'.

I do it always on the Everquest 2 forums, even if not on a roleplay server. I just like doing it... I know many poeple who do it from that games forums, and I've seen it once or twice here (Not just the ye but other kinda avs and such too, mainly Kids though...)

It's be cool if they did, though, if ya ask me. Do a lot of furs do that during inworld talk? The few I've known haven't done a lot.



That would be a cool boss!



I never insist on anyone else's behavior, not here, not inworld. I appreciate it when people do interact with me as a kid (though, like most kids, RL and SL, I *don't* like being talked down to), an I do tend to reply in kind - I've patted the heads of many an inworld animal, spoken as best I can to the gentlefolk of Caledon. I've not had much experience amoungst Gor or even the BDSM folks (My world and theirs dun really come to close to each other), but I'd prob'ly try to be respectful.

I'm not gonna break character if I dun hafta, though there have definitely been times when I have for different reasons. I might talk way too much about music from before my inworld life span at Torley's office hours, or I might revert to RL speech when facing a griefer or someone who is anti-kid. My language becomes very precise if I am talking to a non-English speaker, especially so dat Babbler can translate it.



Wu dun wike it wen wez twpe wike diff?

(Me neither. Heck to figgure out - but I kinda can't throw too many stones, too.)

Mari

Now take those adults... who are already obnoxious... and have them pretend to be a child. That's the double-mint gum of obnoxious.

The fact that some people are irritated by "baby talk" in SL should not be of any surprise to anyone. Especially when (as with all things) the number of people who are "good at it" are relatively few compared to the overall number of participants. I can also see how irritating baby speak can also push someone's lack of appreciation of child-avs along.

I solve the issue by simply using the "mute" feature and muttering something to myself. And you can too!

I'm not, myself, prejudiced against child avatars. I work with several regularly at NCI, in fact! All the points I make about "the risk of child avatars doing something sexual" was meant to indicate why others _might_ object to child avatars, and why I could sympathize with them if they did. That's all.

The roleplay issue I _do_ find a bit more impinging, not because it personally offends me but because it's also observably true that people are driven towards the SL roles that get respected.