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Tinies, Babies, kids and more.. Please give me a breakdown

Jig Chippewa
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10-24-2007 16:07
From: errUh Oh
this thread is complete crap and thats why i wont be posting anything constructive on it. Having fun?


err - remember this??
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10-24-2007 16:09
From: Yumi Murakami
Not if the problem isn't one that's solved by silencing it, or if the person who's doing it is saying valuable things too..



how is it not solved by silencing it and as for that last part, well thats really up to you. its your loss when you cant show tolerance to others. You miss out on some really unique, special talented people. Thats really your problem to solve.
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10-24-2007 16:10
From: Jig Chippewa
err - remember this??

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im a girl and i have lincense to change my mind anytime i want to. now stop taking jabs at me if you dont have anything to contribute
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10-24-2007 16:12
From: Brenda Connolly
Who is stopping anyone from staying in character when they post here? Marianne does it because she prefers to. she isn't given any special license to. Sometimes Michael reflects his Android charcter more outwardly. The Cat ladies express their Feline sides at times. Jumpman used his 49 cent gangsta schtick. Who cares? If it bothers you, don't read it. We had similar nonsense when one of the subs intimated that her posts were being made with the aprroval of her Mistress. People went nuts. WHO CARES? I admit it sometimes on mornings when I haven't had a lot of sleep, Mari's posts can make my eyes bleed, I sometimes have to read them twice..*sorry, honey* But it's no big deal. Just like in world, if I come across people RP ing in general areas and it annoys me, I either politely inform them or I move on. I find it ludicrous that people are chastising someone for excessive roleplaying in what is essentially nothing but a big Role Play to begin with. People, if someone plays Second Life in a way that you don't like, and they aren't violating any rules, and aren't infringing on your enjoynent mind your business, let them play. You don't have to accept, but you should tolerate.


What she said ^.

Honestly - my life has been so much better since it occurred to me that I could eliminate all sorts of stress by ignoring two categories of things, 1) stuff I can't do anything about, and 2) stuff that has no harmful impact on me.

I read Marianne's posts because I respect her opinion and she's generally spot on with things. I don't care how she writes them, and never once has one of her posts caused me any sort of lasting injury. Her kid affectations just don't hurt me, so why on earth would I begrudge her that when they seem to make her happy? It's like this - say you go out on a sunny day and you see someone sitting on a bench, head back, eyes closed, obviously just enjoying the warmth of the sun. Would you walk over and stand over them so you're casting a shadow directly on them just because it irritates you to see them happy? Of course not - only a dick would do something like that. So why would you begrudge people their RP when it just has no negative harmful effect on you.

As an aside, I do all sorts of stuff that people might disapprove of. Slut ratings, drunken biplane barnstorming, the occasional kidnapping, pontificating (great word, but annoying in practice), thread derailing. If you want to get pissed at someone, get pissed at me. I probably deserve it. I really am an awful person. But leave the innocent people who are just doing their thing alone. They just aren't hurting you.
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10-24-2007 16:12
From: errUh Oh
how is it not solved by silencing it


What if my problem with it was that they weren't accepting me?

From: someone
and as for that last part, well thats really up to you. its your loss when you cant show tolerance to others. You miss out on some really unique, special talented people. Thats really your problem to solve.


I didn't say at all that I couldn't show 'tolerance' to others. But, you know, it's not usual to deliberately do something that you know other people around you are just 'tolerating'.
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10-24-2007 16:18
From: Trout Recreant


It's like this - say you go out on a sunny day and you see someone sitting on a bench, head back, eyes closed, obviously just enjoying the warmth of the sun. Would you walk over and stand over them so you're casting a shadow directly on them just because it irritates you to see them happy? Of course not - only a dick would do something like that.

WOW! It would have to be a pretty large penis to do that I'd imagine......
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10-24-2007 16:19
From: Yumi Murakami
What if my problem with it was that they weren't accepting me?



I didn't say at all that I couldn't show 'tolerance' to others. But, you know, it's not usual to deliberately do something that you know other people around you are just 'tolerating'.



i dont know why someone wouldnt accept you. if youre not hurting anyone i think you should be left alone to do as you please. and i really cant comment on what is "usual" for someone to do as i dont personally make decisions for myself based on how other people feel about it. i really have no clue how to answer that. i do what works for me and try really hard not to impose on others or create conflict for them. manners are very important for me. but at the same time, i dont spend my life thinking about how other people will feel about the way i choose to express myself in this world. Mostly because im not so arrogant as to believe people even notice me or that im that important that what i do matters. But also, because i dont need validation to be my authentic self here, unlike rl sadly.
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10-24-2007 16:20
From: Jezabell Barbosa
Ok I have seen the prim babies and the maternity skins, so I know what that is.


I have seen the kid avis but have never interacted with them at all, until the other day when shopping a little girl Avi asked my male companion "are you my daddy?". Shocked, I slapped him. My male companion told this cute little girl that he needed to see a paternity test, as he was not for sure. We played along with this little girl, and I must admit it was very cute.

But someone please explain what is the difference between a Tiny and a Kid? If there is a difference?

And do they like hang out waiting for parents? I don't want a child of my own, but would love to babysit.

Thanks in advance,
Jez (whose Bday party is this Thursday FYI)


This simple question from dear, sweet, innocent Jezabell started this whole ruckus. For shame people.
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10-24-2007 16:22
From: Yumi Murakami
What if my problem with it was that they weren't accepting me?


Then it's not your problem, it's theirs for not accepting whatever you are doing that is not hurting them. You can only be responsible for you, and if they aren't hurting you, it's just not your business to judge them.

From: Yumi Murakami

I didn't say at all that I couldn't show 'tolerance' to others. But, you know, it's not usual to deliberately do something that you know other people around you are just 'tolerating'.


You didn't say you couldn't, but you haven't shown you can, and of course it's usual. We all tolerate each other to some extent. I have an annoying stutter sometimes. It's rare, but when it hits, it's annoying as hell. My friends tolerate it because they're my friends. My best friend drones on and on about how he went to Cornell when he gets drunk. I tolerate it because he's a great guy otherwise. There are plenty of other examples of things we tolerate about others, and in my life I've decided to avoid some people because I just don't get enough pleasure out of their company to tolerate whatever they do that I find annoying.
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10-24-2007 16:23
From: errUh Oh
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im a girl and i have lincense to change my mind anytime i want to. now stop taking jabs at me if you dont have anything to contribute


I wasn't taking jabs at you Err. I admire your passion on this subject. But what does being a girl have to do with anything? I try to stay away from the Forum since comments often disintegrate into sessions that can end up in fractious one-liners that have no point. I disengage from this thread hanging my head in shame at my measliness and my ignorance.
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10-24-2007 16:24
From: Trout Recreant

It's like this - say you go out on a sunny day and you see someone sitting on a bench, head back, eyes closed, obviously just enjoying the warmth of the sun. Would you walk over and stand over them so you're casting a shadow directly on them just because it irritates you to see them happy? Of course not - only a dick would do something like that.


I'm not saying that. I'm saying, why shouldn't everyone get to sit on the beach? And, well, if nobody answers me on that question then, well, I'll regret it but maybe I will wind up making a shadow over the person already sitting there, because I know they already know the answer (since they got to sit on the beach) and they'll have an incentive to reply (it'll get rid of the shadow). I'm sure quite a lot of far more damaging drama on SL starts this way.
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10-24-2007 16:24
From: Brenda Connolly
This simple question from dear, sweet, innocent Jezabell started this whole ruckus. For shame people.



yes its ridiculous and if Mari hadnt been attacked i prolly would have continued to sit back and watch in disgust, silently. but no everyone wants to get nasty ok my claws are out too.
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10-24-2007 16:25
From: Jig Chippewa
But what does being a girl have to do with anything?


I'm guessing it's based on that old saying, "It's a woman's prerogative to change her mind."
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Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
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10-24-2007 16:27
From: errUh Oh
yes its ridiculous and if Mari hadnt been attacked i prolly would have continued to sit back and watch in disgust, silently. but no everyone wants to get nasty ok my claws are out too.


I have absolutely nothing against Mari personally. I was only using her forum posting style as an example. In truth, I don't actually dislike it. It just stands out that she's the only person who regularly posts in that way. It shows an attitude that is common among child avatars. Maybe you think that attitude is brave and laudable; if you do, great. But to get back to the original topic, not everybody has to think that way, and thus it's a potential reason why people might not like child avs.
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10-24-2007 16:28
From: Yumi Murakami
I'm saying, why shouldn't everyone get to sit on the beach?


Um, they can if they want to? As Brenda already said, no one's stopping them.

Of course, we of the feline persuasion do tend to get watched a bit more closely...cats and sand, don't you know.
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Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
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10-24-2007 16:32
From: Yumi Murakami
I'm not saying that. I'm saying, why shouldn't everyone get to sit on the beach? And, well, if nobody answers me on that question then, well, I'll regret it but maybe I will wind up making a shadow over the person already sitting there, because I know they already know the answer (since they got to sit on the beach) and they'll have an incentive to reply (it'll get rid of the shadow). I'm sure quite a lot of far more damaging drama on SL starts this way.

I don't see this as anyone being prevented from sitting on the beach. It's more of a case of. "I don't understand why you like to sit on the beach, so it must be bad and you shouldn't be allowed to do it".
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10-24-2007 16:43
From: Yumi Murakami
I have absolutely nothing against Mari personally. I was only using her forum posting style as an example. In truth, I don't actually dislike it. It just stands out that she's the only person who regularly posts in that way. It shows an attitude that is common among child avatars. Maybe you think that attitude is brave and laudable; if you do, great. But to get back to the original topic, not everybody has to think that way, and thus it's a potential reason why people might not like child avs.

Again, Mari posts in the manner she wishes to. Trout has a goofy loveable pervert tone. I tend to be flippant and sarcastic, Chris is an arrogant flag waving redneck, and Zaphod is just tedious. :p Every single one of us annoys some other readers, and I'm sure your posting style annoys people as well.no one is preventing any of us from aying what we want, how we want it.
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10-24-2007 16:44
From: Yumi Murakami
I'm not saying that. I'm saying, why shouldn't everyone get to sit on the beach? And, well, if nobody answers me on that question then, well, I'll regret it but maybe I will wind up making a shadow over the person already sitting there, because I know they already know the answer (since they got to sit on the beach) and they'll have an incentive to reply (it'll get rid of the shadow). I'm sure quite a lot of far more damaging drama on SL starts this way.


That's fair. I don't want to overstress the metaphor. If you want to sit on the beach, fine. Why do you both have to wear the same bathing suit? (don't make the analogy to someone walking nude onto a non-nude beach - nothing illegal is going on here). Maybe theirs shows a little more skin, but it doesn't hurt you, so ignore them. If they aren't kicking sand on you, let them play frisbee on the beach. It just isn't hurting you to put up with them, so share the beach.

I know I'm a total moron and I give awful advice as a general rule, but honestly, this is good advice. If it isn't hurting you and if your chances of changing it are slim to none, find a way to completely ignore it. You will be happier. I promise.
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10-24-2007 17:22
From: Trout Recreant


I know I'm a total moron and I give awful advice as a general rule, <snip>

No, you're not. You're....what Brenda said! ;)
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10-24-2007 17:24
Ya go off for a couple hours an a thread can jes *explode!*

From: Jig Chippewa
Yumi is correct in that child "goo-goo" talk in SL is NOT dialect. Dialect is a regional accent and vocabulary. Nor is it a "Second Language" which is recognized term for speakers who have a First Language and speak another language or are learning one. Child or shrunken avatars would - presumably - raised in sl have the regional dialect spoken by adults. Child avatars simply speak BAD or juvenile English/German/French/Maori etc languages and should be corrected at every opportunity by adults who find baby-talk aggravating and irritating.


I believe Yumi used the word "dialect" to describe first. I picked up on it, though, ya, it may not be the best term. Pidgen, perhaps? I dunno.

It may be ironic. but some of the dialect I use I picked up from my SL mommy, an wasn't part of any "baby talk" at all. Then again, I know I dun really type the dialect most could consider "child 'goo-goo' talk." I believe that is "wud yew wike tew pway wid me?"

I tink I already mentioned the whole ting I feel about 'ikklespeak' (take good care of it, Misses Sands!), so we're not really in any disagreement. I would add, though, dat "correcting" kids who use bad or juvenile language might also be "forcing" you into the RP. ;-)

From: Brenda Connolly
Mari's posts can make my eyes bleed, I sometimes have to read them twice..*sorry, honey* But it's no big deal.


No apology necessary. To be honest, my RL reaction was to laugh, readin' dat. Sorry 'bout the eyes.

From: errUh Oh
yes its ridiculous and if Mari hadnt been attacked i prolly would have continued to sit back and watch in disgust, silently. but no everyone wants to get nasty ok my claws are out too.


I should also mention dat I dun feel attacked. To be honest, too, I've faced much worse in world than someone who dun like my manner of speaking. :-)

From: Trout Recreant
I read Marianne's posts because I respect her opinion and she's generally spot on with things. I don't care how she writes them, and never once has one of her posts caused me any sort of lasting injury. Her kid affectations just don't hurt me, so why on earth would I begrudge her that when they seem to make her happy?


Thankoo!

(I hope you dun mind if I dun get one of them ratings from you, kay?)

From: Brenda Connolly
This simple question from dear, sweet, innocent Jezabell started this whole ruckus.


Had I been tinking, I shoulda started back on page one by saying "Dis won't end well." Now I can jes say "in before the lock."

Mari
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10-24-2007 17:36
From: Jig Chippewa
Yumi is correct in that child "goo-goo" talk in SL is NOT dialect. Dialect is a regional accent and vocabulary.


I was the one who first used "dialect" to refer to a childish mode of speech. I'm sorry, Jig, and Yumi, but "baby talk" is indeed dialect.

From dictionary.com:

di·a·lect /ˈdaɪəˌlɛkt/ Spelled Pronunciation[dahy-uh-lekt] –noun

1. Linguistics. a variety of a language that is distinguished from other varieties of the same language by features of phonology, grammar, and vocabulary, and by its use by a group of speakers who are set off from others geographically or socially.

(definitions 2-4 edited as not applicable)

5. jargon or cant.

Whew. You had me worried there for a second. Language is (one of) my businesses. and I try hard to use it correctly.
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10-24-2007 17:43
From: Brenda Connolly
This simple question from dear, sweet, innocent Jezabell started this whole ruckus. For shame people.



I just wanted to babysit, I just wanted to babysit!
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10-24-2007 17:58
From: Jezabell Barbosa
I just wanted to babysit, I just wanted to babysit!


I am not sure my kids would like the idea of a babysitter. Well they would probably see you as a "challenge". Take that how you will. :) **warning**

As to how someone roleplays, while I do not know the exact range in ""m. I know that if I am hearing something I do not want to hear in SL I can walk a few feet and I no longer hear them. Someone staying with their roleplay on a forum also can be easily ignored. Course sometimes that person may just have something to say that pertains to you. Then you are just stuck dealing with it.
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10-24-2007 18:00
From: Laurynce Book
I am not sure my kids would like the idea of a babysitter. Well they would probably see you as a "challenge". Take that how you will. :) **warning**

As to how someone roleplays, while I do not know the exact range in ""m. I know that if I am hearing something I do not want to hear in SL I can walk a few feet and I no longer hear them. Someone staying with their roleplay on a forum also can be easily ignored. Course sometimes that person may just have something to say that pertains to you. Then you are just stuck dealing with it.



They would like me, I'd let them win at monoploy!
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10-24-2007 18:31
From: Laurynce Book
I am not sure my kids would like the idea of a babysitter. Well they would probably see you as a "challenge". Take that how you will. :) **warning**


I tink what my daddy is sayin is dat me an my brother Pygar an my sissy Robin would be"a handful."

/me gives her daddy a big "forcing my roleplay an missing you cuz of camp" hug

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As to how someone roleplays, while I do not know the exact range in ""m. I know that if I am hearing something I do not want to hear in SL I can walk a few feet and I no longer hear them. Someone staying with their roleplay on a forum also can be easily ignored. Course sometimes that person may just have something to say that pertains to you. Then you are just stuck dealing with it.


20m, I tink. 'less they shout. :-)

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