Tinies, Babies, kids and more.. Please give me a breakdown

Oh, I have to draw the line at Conquistadors. Dat's jes weird.

(kidding!)



Dat sounds like success, to me!

Mari

I don't, I'm afraid (and if I did, I wouldn't share out of privacy).

As I said, though, I have heard of a number of other RP'ers following a similar path. "Why will nobody respect anything here except sex and building?" is a common cry.



Exactly. And what I'm saying is that many child avatars I've seen - and I've never met Mari in world so I have no idea if this applies to her or not - insist that they should be treated like children, but don't treat others in equivalent roles based on their avatars.

heh "surrounded by one" heh

As I can't really do it, I have a lot of respect for builders, creators. I have no particular respect for "sex."

And as for RPing - as one person kept saying in a particular RPing sim I was in, he was tired of seeing two or three people sitting around complaining about the lack of role-playing and role-players in the sim, and to stop complaining already and role-play. You can role-play with as few as 1 person there (I used to explore a lot while in my "Captain Lexxi neko-Gynoid" the first Star Fleet Neko captain disguise, by myself, exploring, running into people). And if there is another person there that also wants to role-play, don't complain to each other, bloody well start role-playing. gah. You see a kid role-playing being a kid? Role-play with them, take the chance given to role-play. They do not "accept" your character? How? You are a fae, they come up to say "are you my mommy", you say "I've stolen a lot of kids in my time, out of cribs, and left golems in their place, maybe I've seen you before, but I'm not your mother" (obviously both would say that in their own words). Bloody well role-play. They don't respond, don't accept your role-play? Why the heck to you want to role-play with bad role-players then?

It would seem dat the problem might be the lack of respect then.



I could swear I've said a few kajillion times dat I dun insist on nuttin'. I appreciate it when people do, but I'm not gonna say "You gots to!"



Okay, true story.

At the art show last week, I met a very nice victorian-era gentlelady. She is at least in some way related to a Baron, even. She came to the show and enjoyed my piccies. She also addressed some business of the Baron's, as he wants me to present my fireworks show for them. The entire discussion was carried on in each others' characters, including her referring to "expertise with pyrotechnics" an me saying something like "well, I do like to make stuff go boom!"

We actually had a slight 'adjustment' moment there, when she mentioned dat she "speaks to children as she does to adults," which was fine by me. Overall, it was a very fun moment, both in character, and both having a nice moment. No chaos was to be had.

Eek! I still need to contact the baron about the fireworks!



Seems kinda apt to me.

Mari

Okay, true story.

At the art show last week, I met a very nice victorian-era gentlelady. She is at least in some way related to a Baron, even. She came to the show and enjoyed my piccies. She also addressed some business of the Baron's, as he wants me to present my fireworks show for them. The entire discussion was carried on in each others' characters, including her referring to "expertise with pyrotechnics" an me saying something like "well, I do like to make stuff go boom!"

We actually had a slight 'adjustment' moment there, when she mentioned dat she "speaks to children as she does to adults," which was fine by me. Overall, it was a very fun moment, both in character, and both having a nice moment. No chaos was to be had.

I need to contact the baron about the fireworks!

Mari

But you do. You've already said that you'll "ikklespeak" by default, and if someone doesn't like it, they have to either a) ask you to stop, or b) mute you and/or leave. But a) is likely to be awkward for them, and make them look and feel like an intolerant kill-joy, b) is saying that they have to turn down all social contact with you, even if they were valuing and enjoying it otherwise. So many people, to avoid the awkwardness, will just tolerate it... while upset that they never get to do the equivalent for their _own_ characters, because they try to do it the polite way, of making sure it's OK with the other people _first_. (That upset isn't your fault though.)

No, I dun 'ikklespeak.' There's a difference, really -- but I'm not gonna quibble over apples an oranges. I do regularly use a dialect.

The rest of dis post, well, we're talking in circles here.I've answered all dis already, I tink. Sorry.

Mari

I've spent a lot of time in RL with kids. Trust me, it only takes one to surround you. More than that and you are facing an overwhelming force. Think General Custer.

Something properly socialized people refer to as "getting along with others."




Something called "blaming others for their lack of assertiveness."

I honestly don't think this thread can get any less useful but I predict it will anyway.

Yep. The only recourse is to strike your colors and pay Danegeld, usually in the form of ice cream.

Pie, anyone?



Mari

"Getting along with others" is a mutual thing. Doing something that you know will make others uncomfortable, or that they might not like, because you're counting that they won't speak up about it, is honestly kinda rude.



Why? Some people just might not want to role-play. You can't reasonably be "assertive" in demanding that other people should be entertained by a particular thing.

Is it berry pie? I don't like berry pie...

Will Bodhi's bleak prediction come true?
Will Marianne and Yumi kiss and make up?
Will Jezabell land a babysitting job?

Tune in tomorrow for another episode of, "As The Forum Turns", when you'll hear Bell say,

"No, not the attack helicopters, dammit...I need nukes, and I need 'em NOW!"

(whew. In before the lock.)

No, you didn't answer it all already because you didn't tell me your secret yet

Yes, please. With vanilla ice cream.

Keep waiting for that myself.

Its not that anyone is expecting them not to speak up about it. The expectation is that they will *if* they don't like it. You're basically saying that by speaking one way, that is appropriate for their age (Av age, which hey, we are our avs in this world) that they are being rude. If a little girl really spoke like that, would you be offended? I know, she's not really that age. But she is trying to portray an av that *is*. It's a game essentially, and in games (or virtual worlds) we are who we want to be. SO she is that age. (I'm using Mari as an example, as she's the most obvious child-av I can think of at the moment lol, sorry)




Then they don't have to roleplay. They can speak normally, and let the other person do the roleplaying that they want to do. If it really bothers them *that* much, then they are not going to be too awkward to ask them to stop.

Just my opinions of course

I find it odd.. the locks always seem to happen to ones people have stopped paying attention to first... maybe I'm just odd though lol

Then you part company. And don't go pulling out any more Catch-22 "but then they're forcing me to do something" arguments either.

In real life, I'm a retired brigadier-general from Tunbridge Wells? I thought dat was public knowledge.



Um... would dat be broadly offensive content?

(Jes because we disagree here, dun mean we have anyting against each other, really!)



Apple.



The bestest way to have it!

Mari

Depends on the kiss



YES PLEASE!!! ^^

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If it was true that "we are who we want to be", everyone would be, and there would be no frustrated non-RPers, so that's clearly not true in practice although it might be a laudable goal. And as for "we are our avs", do you know what "avatar" actually means? It means a digital representation of the real person (well, ok actually it originally meant an earthly manifestation of a god - from the sanskrit "avatara", to descend, according to my dictionary - but you see the point ). In other words, your av is the real you in fancy dress. LL chose the term "avatar" instead of "character" for a reason, y'know! SL is not a role-playing game per se, of course people can role-play within it if they want to, but as I've been saying over and over here, that's a mutual thing, not just one person's decision. (And it isn't mutual to refuse utterly to socialize with someone, just because they won't RP the way you want them to!)



But they want to.

No, silly, how _you_ get to RP