Tinies, Babies, kids and more.. Please give me a breakdown
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Jezabell Barbosa
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10-22-2007 05:52
Ok I have seen the prim babies and the maternity skins, so I know what that is.
I have seen the kid avis but have never interacted with them at all, until the other day when shopping a little girl Avi asked my male companion "are you my daddy?". Shocked, I slapped him. My male companion told this cute little girl that he needed to see a paternity test, as he was not for sure. We played along with this little girl, and I must admit it was very cute.
But someone please explain what is the difference between a Tiny and a Kid? If there is a difference?
And do they like hang out waiting for parents? I don't want a child of my own, but would love to babysit.
Thanks in advance, Jez (whose Bday party is this Thursday FYI)
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Brenda Connolly
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10-22-2007 05:58
From what I gather, tinies are just small beings, not necessarily children. I've run over..I mean across..I mean I've encountered a couple of tinies and they have been just as adult as me. OK, bad example......uhm..I'm sure someone will be along who can explainit better.
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Cherry Czervik
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10-22-2007 06:21
Tinies are basically small avatars - often, though not exclusively, animal ones. NOT furries ... well maybe some are, but I have yet to meet one. I have a little squirrel avatar, who is both adorable and has lots of attitude (and an acorn thrower). I have another avatar I have my eye on but I am not saying what that is ... vos it is secret and INCREDIBLY adorable  I personally find kid avatars disturbing but each to their own.
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Jezabell Barbosa
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10-22-2007 06:25
From: Brenda Connolly From what I gather, tinies are just small beings, not necessarily children. I've run over..I mean across..I mean I've encountered a couple of tinies and they have been just as adult as me. OK, bad example......uhm..I'm sure someone will be along who can explainit better.
*Where's the Party? I'd love to dop by if I can.* Ms. Brenda, I will be delighted if you come to my birthday party, I will send you an invite when I logg in. All cartel members are welcome. And you need not where panties.
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Ann Launay
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10-22-2007 06:26
I have a few Tiny avs, but I've never considered them to be 'children'...just oh so cute. There are baby furs out there, although I've never seen one, and I suppose they might use the same or similar avs, so you'd probably have to judge based on behavior. Wynx Whiplash makes the BEST Tinies. http://lindenlifestyles.com/?p=474http://lindenlifestyles.com/?p=482
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Haravikk Mistral
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10-22-2007 06:26
I have a furry tiny, a red fox with a waistcoat, bow-tie, top-hat, monacle and moustache. Is just fun to wear sometimes, but I'm not going to go around asking for parents looking like an evil baron =P
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FD Spark
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10-22-2007 06:51
When I played a child avatar I did check out adoption agencies but I really wasn't into having parents, it just was fun avatar I wore briefly when I was just hatched and exploring the world personally. I liked to think of myself in roleplaying sense as Orphan, innocently exploring and trying to make sense of this new complex world. I am often small avatars because the world so huge and I like being tiny. I even made tinier world then myself in my private space called 3rd life with few friends.
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Toy LaFollette
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10-22-2007 07:00
From: FD Spark When I played a child avatar I did check out adoption agencies but I really wasn't into having parents, it just was fun avatar I wore briefly when I was just hatched and exploring the world personally. I liked to think of myself in roleplaying sense as Orphan, innocently exploring and trying to make sense of this new complex world. I am often small avatars because the world so huge and I like being tiny. I even made tinier world then myself in my private space called 3rd life with few friends. I've been a child av for years in SL. And there are some adoption agencies now. I have never used one cause it just didnt seem to suit me. I do have a SL mom, whom I have known online for at least 5 years now, that suits me fine. I love being on my own a lot as a child also  Im neither a tiny or a baby I play an 8 year old and it suits me  I figure you will find both good and bad in all sizes. It's not the size it's what's inside 
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Adz Childs
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10-22-2007 07:06
From: Cherry Czervik I personally find kid avatars disturbing but each to their own. I don't understand why many people find it necessary to qualify their statements of support with a sweeping insults. 
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Toy LaFollette
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10-22-2007 07:10
From: Adz Childs I don't understand why many people find it necessary to qualify their statements of support with a sweeping insults.  I wondered the same thing Adz. Maybe it's fear hehe. Anyways I just ignore it.
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Marianne McCann
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10-22-2007 07:13
From: Jezabell Barbosa I have seen the kid avis but have never interacted with them at all, until the other day when shopping a little girl Avi asked my male companion "are you my daddy?". Shocked, I slapped him. My male companion told this cute little girl that he needed to see a paternity test, as he was not for sure. We played along with this little girl, and I must admit it was very cute. Sounds fun! From: someone But someone please explain what is the difference between a Tiny and a Kid? If there is a difference? A "tiny" is a type of avvie. Usually these are cute bunnies or stuff like dat. For examples, check out the Raglan Shire sim. There *are* a couple baby avvies (over on DarkDharma Avatar Island) dat take advantage of t he same sort of tings dat regular tinies use, but the usual kid is more of a short regular avvie. (As was said at the Forum hangout the other night to me, "you're shorter than I thought" but really, I am tall for my age) From: someone And do they like hang out waiting for parents? I don't want a child of my own, but would love to babysit. *Most* do not hang out looking for parents like dat. Many go through adoption agencies. These is usually the best choice, IMO, even though I personally was found by my mommy when I visited her property. From: Cherry Czervik I personally find kid avatars disturbing but each to their own. I was jes talking with another kid in-world about dis statement, Misses Czervik. Why do you find it so disturbing dat ya felt ya hadda bring it up right nows? Not tryin' to condem ya or nuttin, jes really curious. It seemd like kinda a "out of left field" statement, kinda. It's my childlike curiosity  Mari (in before the lock, and waiting for the discussion to go into LL policies on kid avatars, etc., cuz it's been about a week) 
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Adz Childs
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10-22-2007 07:15
From: Toy LaFollette I wondered the same thing Adz. Maybe it's fear hehe. Anyways I just ignore it. Well, I almost let it go. Maybe I should have. Then I saw that the poster is a Second Life Mentor.
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Burnman Bedlam
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10-22-2007 07:17
From: Toy LaFollette I wondered the same thing Adz. Maybe it's fear hehe. Anyways I just ignore it. Perhaps it is the lack of understanding why an adult would want to represent themselves as a child, and the associations of Second Life with adult content? Second Life is not a place for children, and perhaps that perception carries over to disgust with child av's. I can't help but wonder if the person playing a child in SL is a sicko or someone who is just RP'ing a kid innocently. Might not be fair to the person playing a child... but as a parent... I can't help but find the whole child-av thing more than a little odd.
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Lindal Kidd
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10-22-2007 07:21
I love meeting both tinies and kid avs.
The tinies are fun because most of them have a real Big Person attitude. Like Chip 'N Dale... "Mess with me, and I'll really ruin your day, pal".
The kids are fun because...well, because they're kids, and any world isn't really complete without kids in it to look at it with wonder in their eyes, to play in it like the whole thing is a new toy.
It doesn't really matter that the person "driving" the kid is an adult...it's the attitude that's important. I envy those who can get back in touch with what is was really like to be a kid. They bring something special to the world.
For a lot of them, being a kid means having parents. Not everyone is cut out to be Peter Pan...some want that sense of security, the safe haven that's Mom and Dad. So, families make sense, too.
The only ones I don't like are the Brats. You know who I mean...the people who play a child avatar in the most annoying way possible. Insane laughter, wild behavior, rude gestures repeated over and over. Most of them are hoping to provoke you into an unwise reaction, and will AR you in a second.
I guess I'd feel weird if I met someone who was playing an infant. But that seems so very limited. All the SL kids I've met have been between about 5 and 12 in apparent age.
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Kelly Kuiper
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10-22-2007 07:25
Well I for one love meeting SL kids!!!
I've encountered about half a dozen in my time here, and they have all provided me with a wholly refreshing experience and loads of fun. I think the fact that SL can offer people who want it the opportunity to explore and live the innocence of childhood is a wonderful thing.
Except perhaps for that pesky little boy I came across on a beach who kept flicking his chewing gum at me and breaking wind. I'm sorry, I'm not normally a violent person, but that slap round the back of the head was well deserved.
K
EDIT - just spotted paras 2 and 3 in above post. Ya that sums it up. Lovely.
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Imogen Saltair
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10-22-2007 07:25
Why is it insulting for Cherry to feel disturbed by child avatars? I am into BDSM (as you all probably know) and i hear a lot of people, in this forum and out of it, saying they find BDSM "disturbing", "disgusting", "not for them".. "crazy".. "stupid" in fact all sorts of things which i don't find insulting.. if its they way they feel then its the way they feel.
In the BDSM community there is a lot of tolerance, because we each have our own kinks, fetishes, tastes, and there is a saying.. "Your kink is not my kink but its ok with me".
I accept if other people find what i do disturbing, and i am not insulted by it. I am concerned if someone says to me "You are disturbing me" because i go out of my way to NOT be disturbing to others. But that isn't what Cherry said.
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Toy LaFollette
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10-22-2007 07:25
From: Burnman Bedlam Perhaps it is the lack of understanding why an adult would want to represent themselves as a child, and the associations of Second Life with adult content? Second Life is not a place for children, and perhaps that perception carries over to disgust with child av's. I can't help but wonder if the person playing a child in SL is a sicko or someone who is just RP'ing a kid innocently. Might not be fair to the person playing a child... but as a parent... I can't help but find the whole child-av thing more than a little odd. I wasnt looking to be attaked for what I want My Second Life to be. I do find it scary that even the thought of some people that being a child av is odd, scary, or disturbing. But who am I to tell someone to seek help?
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FD Spark
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10-22-2007 07:27
The thing I don't like about being extremely tiny or baby size is my attachments get all weird and come apart and I look really strange. And its very annoying when building or exploring to have one's tiny prims to go off in directions that are no longer attached. Then there is really judgemental big people which gets bit annoying. Also if I am child avatar curiously exploring and find something "restricted" and accidentally jump on pose ball without thinking or make a off colored remark as my asian baby cigar smoking avatar someone might AR me and I just don't want to risk it. Also my closest friend who I share a SIM with who I care and like very much really finds it disturbing to see me as tiny Asian baby so I seldomly take him out. I often feel like a child in many ways even though I am 42. I like being street waif and exploring places sometimes that would seem odd to find a baby avatar wondering alone for roleplaying reasons but this is purely for fun and I am concerned it would be misunderstood.
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Marianne McCann
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10-22-2007 07:30
From: Burnman Bedlam Perhaps it is the lack of understanding why an adult would want to represent themselves as a child, and the associations of Second Life with adult content? Yes, but isn't SL also a lot of non-adult content, too? Not every store is selling pink and blue pose ball sets - are they?]. I mean, I understand dat a lotta people tink SL means "Sex Life," but it really dun. SL is what you make of it, and there's a whole lotta places where dat association is purty wrong, no? From: someone Second Life is not a place for children, and perhaps that perception carries over to disgust with child av's. I can't help but wonder if the person playing a child in SL is a sicko or someone who is just RP'ing a kid innocently. Might not be fair to the person playing a child... but as a parent... I can't help but find the whole child-av thing more than a little odd. Why is it any odder than playing a furry, or a dragon, or whatever else? It's simply a different role, innit? You'll find, too, dat most kid avvies - an, it seems, the only ones you'll see out in the wild nowadays - are innocent an stuff. I knwo one ting dat always always bugs me, though, is the association of kid avvies with being pedos. I mean, why would they play their preferred victim? Look for the 'dult avvies who are seeing out kids (oh, if I could only name names here!) 'cuz them is the sickos. Mari
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10-22-2007 07:30
From: Burnman Bedlam ... the associations of Second Life with adult content? Am I the only resident who came here utterly ignorant of the fact that one of the many, many things a person can do here is participate in "adult content?" I came here when I learned of the building capabilities. That is what I associate SL with. I can totally see why someone would want to be a kid in a world with the equivalent of 10m legos! From: Burnman Bedlam ...second life is not a place for children... Well, no, not some people's second lives. I try not to assume everyone is here for the same things.
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10-22-2007 07:31
From: Toy LaFollette I wasnt looking to be attaked for what I want My Second Life to be. I do find it scary that even the thought of some people that being a child av is odd, scary, or disturbing. But who am I to tell someone to seek help? I am sorry you were offended by my post, it was not meant as an attack, but rather an possible reason why some find child-av's to be odd or disturbing. If you want to recommend seeking help, you might want to start with those who use child-av's to role play child molestation first. Perhaps if you get those people off the grid, people who RP children innocently won't have such a bad rap.
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10-22-2007 07:36
From: Imogen Saltair Why is it insulting for Cherry to feel disturbed by child avatars? I agree, it's an understandable reaction and only insulting if people act on it in a negative matter. We would all do well to consider others' viewpoints and approach them with an eye toward understanding rather than confrontation. Kids used to give me the bigtime heebie-jeebies. I took the time to listen and got used to the idea. Doesn't mean everyone will or should, but putting yourself in someone else's shoes, be they Mary Janes or stilettos once in while gives us all the opportunity to grow. IBTL, I suppose.
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Marianne McCann
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10-22-2007 07:37
From: Imogen Saltair Why is it insulting for Cherry to feel disturbed by child avatars. For me, I'm not insulted by however she wants to feel. There's plenty of tings I dun like, so I can't really cast any stones here. But doesn't it seem odd, in a discussion about the differences between tinies and kids, to jes say "I find kids disturbing?" Why even feel the need to bring it up, ya know? Dat's the part I was curious about. Mari
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10-22-2007 07:41
From: Burnman Bedlam I am sorry you were offended by my post, it was not meant as an attack, but rather an possible reason why some find child-av's to be odd or disturbing. If you want to recommend seeking help, you might want to start with those who use child-av's to role play child molestation first. Perhaps if you get those people off the grid, people who RP children innocently won't have such a bad rap. hmmm so my job is not to make SL my imagination. My job, since Im a child av, is to police SL for child molesters.. This seems very strange to me that I must validate my av by policies set forth by adult avs? Doesnt that seem a bit backwards. I avoid places that may contain adult content, I avoid adult avs I do not know, I avoid IM conversations with adult avs I dont know. Just how am I supposed to police SL? I dont worry about a 'bad rep' simply because those that know me know my rep. I have helped new residents for well over 3 years in SL. I hang out, when not on my own land, in a area well known for being a help for new rezzies. But, you have "assumed" I have a bad rep.
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10-22-2007 07:41
From: Bodhisatva Paperclip Am I the only resident who came here utterly ignorant of the fact that one of the many, many things a person can do here is participate in "adult content?" I came here when I learned of the building capabilities. That is what I associate SL with. I can totally see why someone would want to be a kid in a world with the equivalent of 10m legos! I am not in SL for the naughty either. I build/script and interact socially. But pixel-sex doesn't really do it for me. It does for other people, and that's fine for them. From: Bodhisatva Paperclip Well, no, not some people's second lives. I try not to assume everyone is here for the same things. When I said that SL is not a place for children, I meant it isn't a place for children. There is an 18+ requirement to access SL. The fact that it is a place for adults to interact, some may see child-av's as out of place.
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