geez..i didnt see that..lol..im not a good detective, am i?
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05-11-2008 13:51
geez..i didnt see that..lol..im not a good detective, am i? _____________________
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Kyrah Abattoir
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05-11-2008 13:53
Why is everyone so afraid of the truth? That news piece did not overstate the facts. It was about children being able to easily get adult content on the SL adult grid.......and that is a fact. I applaud FOX News for the exposing a very troubling flaw in how SL is operated..........we need a full blown news investigation in fact. Seems LL will not do anything until forced to do it.........and FOX is big enough in the news business to do that forcing. We aren't afraid, at least i'm not, it's simply i don't care about kids. We've been kids too and one thing i know is that kids love challenges. You won't be able to lock out someone that want badly in, in kid's case it's even more thrilling for them because it is explicitly forbidden. Another congressman trying to justify his salary? _____________________
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Macphisto Angelus
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05-11-2008 13:54
geez..i didnt see that..lol..im not a good detective, am i? I suck at naming threads. No way it would have been obvious to you. lol At the time this was not a Fox news story, so your's is more timely now. I was only pointing that other thread out for some of the commentary that is going on about children being penaized. And your pervert bro will fit in very nicely with the rest of us. ![]() _____________________
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Ciaran Laval
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05-11-2008 13:54
Stating that the main grid is 18+ is irrelevant. The way a child can enter the grid makes that fact irrelevant. If SL had safeguards in place to make it truly 18+ then that would be a valid point...........they don't so that argument is nothing but bluster. Give me a falsly stated fact from the video...............I heard none. No it's not irrelevant at all. They're talking about issuing parents a warning about a world that clearly states it's 18+. How the heck is omitting the fact that it is 18+ irrelevant? They are talking about sexual predators and protecting kids in a world that kids are lying to get inside of. Sorry, myspace, facebook, bebo, places where adults and kids mix readily are far more dangerous for kids. Absolving parental responsibility yet again and not mentioning that kids have to lie to be on the main grid, unlike myspace, facebook and bebo. Omitting the fact that there's a special grid for kids, with checks and balances, it's an absurd misrepresentation. What are they going to warn parents about? You see that place your kids go, the one with 18+ on the signup page, ummm kids under 18 shouldn't go there. |
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Kyrah Abattoir
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05-11-2008 13:55
This meth lab is so ugly...
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Isablan Neva
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05-11-2008 13:56
Standby for huge influx of horny teenage boys who have parents watching Fox News.....
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Nectere Niven
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05-11-2008 13:59
This is really true of the world in general, children can be exposed to all sorts of "hazards" just by being alive. The fact still remains that it is the PARENTS job to instill in their children right from wrong, its their job to teach them that the things they see and experience have meaning and what those meanings are. We can allow the government to raise our children or we can do it ourselves, besides, it doesnt matter how many locks the government or anyone else puts on anything, where there is a will there is a way. The bottom line will always rest on what did you teach your kids/nieces/nephew/cousins/etc, how did you teach them to handle the world? Did you turn a blind eye and allow the locks to play keeper? Or did you take an active role in those kid's lives to teach them how to handle those situations with or without locks?
Personally I dont have any locks on anything, but I have instilled in my kid the ability to think for herself, to know right from wrong, and why she should avoid "hazardous" situations, not just because its against the law, but because ultimately some of those experiences will harm her in one way or another with life long consequences. Sure sticking a lock on something is far easier than taking the time to explain, to talk, to reexplain, its exhausting, but in the end, they have the right tools they need to get through life, not just an insatiable urge to pick locks. _____________________
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Yummy Freelunch
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05-11-2008 13:59
I suck at naming threads. No way it would have been obvious to you. lol At the time this was not a Fox news story, so your's is more timely now. I was only pointing that other thread out for some of the commentary that is going on about children being penaized. And your pervert bro will fit in very nicely with the rest of us. ![]() haha, well we think along the same lines, it seems and yea, my brother will be waiting in a back alley of SL with his overcoat and a bag of candy for those kiddies._____________________
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05-11-2008 14:00
Standby for huge influx of horny teenage boys who have parents watching Fox News..... I was thinking the exact same thing. For heaven's sake. Can we not have a few pieces saying "SL is really educational"? If anything would put children off ever coming here it would be that. _____________________
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Peggy Paperdoll
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05-11-2008 14:07
Cirian, you're mixing parental responsiblity with Linden Lab's responsibility. Yes they state that the adult grid is for adults 18 years old or older and that if you are 13 to 17 you can join the teen grid. They have safeguards in place to make it difficult for the average adult in enter the teen grid.........they do not make it even a challenge for the children to get into the adult grid. That is what makes that agrument irrelevant.
I'm not agruing that parents need to keep their own children safe from predaters........and yes they are out there (even in SL, I'm afraid). I'm simply saying that the news video did not state one false "fact". Not mentioning that adult grid is for 18+ is not lying.........the fact is that there is nothing to enforce the "rule" so it might as well not be there. Not mentioning that there is a teen grid......gee, it was not about the teen grid. It was about the SL adult grid. No reason whatsoever to mention something that the news article is not about. Again, tell me where a lie was told. |
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Peggy Paperdoll
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05-11-2008 14:11
Can we not have a few pieces saying "SL is really educational"? You're kidding, right? ![]() |
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Isabeau Imako
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05-11-2008 14:13
If your child has unsupervised access to the internet, SL wouldn't be my first worry. There's some 'adult' stuff out there that is truly scarring to see, at any age.
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05-11-2008 14:14
Manufacturers in the U.S. have been pruducing an unsafe product called an "automobile". All it takes is a simple key to operate, and it does not verify that the operator is old enough or holds a valid operator's permit. These "automobiles" or "autos" as they are known can be used to travel to such places as adult novelty stores and establishments that serve alchoholic beverages. In the hands of inexperienced or impaired operators, they can cause great bodily harm or death!
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Yummy Freelunch
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05-11-2008 14:15
Well, one untruth is where Mr. Kirk states that SL exploits women. I'm assuming he means the rape "area" he went to. He says you can choose to be raped or BE the rapist. That's the word, "choose". How does that teach exploiting women if you CHOOSE to be there? I'm a woman, SL doesnt exploit me, and I choose NOT to go there. Did any of that make sense? lol
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Isabeau Imako
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05-11-2008 14:19
Cirian, you're mixing parental responsiblity with Linden Lab's responsibility. Yes they state that the adult grid is for adults 18 years old or older and that if you are 13 to 17 you can join the teen grid. They have safeguards in place to make it difficult for the average adult in enter the teen grid.........they do not make it even a challenge for the children to get into the adult grid. That is what makes that agrument irrelevant. I'm not agruing that parents need to keep their own children safe from predaters........and yes they are out there (even in SL, I'm afraid). I'm simply saying that the news video did not state one false "fact". Not mentioning that adult grid is for 18+ is not lying.........the fact is that there is nothing to enforce the "rule" so it might as well not be there. Not mentioning that there is a teen grid......gee, it was not about the teen grid. It was about the SL adult grid. No reason whatsoever to mention something that the news article is not about. Again, tell me where a lie was told. I think people are outraged when the whole of SL is targeted. Imagine a report on the Internet as a whole, and how some aspects of it aren't 'kid friendly', without mentioning anything positive about it. _____________________
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Peggy Paperdoll
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05-11-2008 14:19
Well, one untruth is where Mr. Kirk states that SL exploits women. I'm assuming he means the rape "area" he went to. He says you can choose to be raped or BE the rapist. That's the word, "choose". How does that teach exploiting women if you CHOOSE to be there? I'm a woman, SL doesnt exploit me, and I choose NOT to go there. Did any of that make sense? lol And Hustler Magazine does the same thing. ![]() |
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Peggy Paperdoll
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05-11-2008 14:26
I think people are outraged when the whole of SL is targeted. Imagine a report on the Internet as a whole, and how some aspects of it aren't 'kid friendly', without mentioning anything positive about it. I think people are outraged because it may force SL to do something about age/ID verification. Everyone states it's necessary, but everyone says in the same breath that they won't participate until it's absolutely guaranteed to be 100% foolproof. We all know that will never happen so lets just forget it and leave it as is......hypocritical in the first degree. If LL had even one honest obstacle in place to reduce the chances of a kid accessing the adult grid, I'd be on your side..........they don't, so I guess I'm against most here. ![]() And I just did a Google search..........type in "vitual games online". See what site pops up first. ![]() |
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Yummy Freelunch
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05-11-2008 14:26
yea but i dont "play" with hustler magazine..i "play" SL...lol..
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Peggy Paperdoll
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05-11-2008 14:28
yea but i dont "play" with hustler magazine..i "play" SL...lol.. ![]() And by your definition Hustler Magazine doesn't exploit women. Whether you play it or not. |
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Sindy Tsure
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05-11-2008 14:32
Once again the congressman neglects to stress two important points: these kids he's trying to protect need to lie about their age to get in and then actively seek out this stuff.
Considering that (I assume) places like libraries and schools don't allow people to install their own software on their machines, I wonder if a JIRA to ask LL to make a PG-regions/parcels-only viewer would be appropritate. edit: and I like how both the Fox reporter and the Congressman refer to SL as 'new'. |
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Ciaran Laval
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05-11-2008 14:35
Not mentioning that adult grid is for 18+ is not lying. No it's being economic with the truth. It's also extremely silly considering the whole point is to warn parents but more than that, by not mentioning there are teen and adult grids it gives the impression that all areas of second life contain this content, and that's extremely unfair to Linden Lab. |
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Rebecca Proudhon
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05-11-2008 14:36
edit: and I like how both the Fox reporter and the Congressman refer to SL as 'new'. And been in Beta for the longest time. |
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Yummy Freelunch
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05-11-2008 14:36
And by your definition Hustler Magazine doesn't exploit women. Whether you play it or not. exploit Definition ex·ploit (eks′plo̵it′; also, and for v.usually, ek splo̵it′, ik-) noun an act remarkable for brilliance or daring; bold deed Etymology: ME & OFr esploit, an exploit, action < L explicitum, neut. pp. of explicare: see explicate transitive verb 1. to make use of; turn to account; utilize productively 2. to make unethical use of for one's own advantage or profit; specif., to make profit from the labor of (others) without giving a just return 3. Advertising to stir up interest in; promote to exploit a product IMO, no, Hustler doesnt exploit women, being they CHOSE to pose nude. No one is making unethical use of these women, they did it to themselves. Same with the "exploitation" in SL. _____________________
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Yummy Freelunch
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05-11-2008 14:38
No it's being economic with the truth. It's also extremely silly considering the whole point is to warn parents but more than that, by not mentioning there are teen and adult grids it gives the impression that all areas of second life contain this content, and that's extremely unfair to Linden Lab. WELL SAID! my whole point exactly..thanks for saying it for me, cuz I really dont have a way with words..lol..it's totally unfair, and I wish I could rebut el that video. _____________________
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05-11-2008 14:45
My parents watch Fox news religiously. That explains why I got the "I saw that game you play on the news, its bad" phone call lecture from my mom the other day.
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