Does Identity Verification mean ban for all home sexual interacts??

This actually is part of the point.

Only a small part of Amsterdam is the famous Redlight District.

The whole of Amsterdam isnt open prostitution.

Its a metephor.

When peopel go fishing they always come back and exagerate the size of the fish they didnt keep.

"The one that got away"

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They grossly exagerate how repressive the US is to make their European examples seem more scandalous.

As well as concentrate on such things as Amsterdams Red Light District.

The Contrast blows the differences out of proportion.

Be glad you don't have to admit to being from New York........

In my opinion it should be Linden Lab's responsibility to keep the kids out. It should not be our responsibility to curb our behaviour on what is supposed to be an adult grid. I agree with giving the estate owners more tools in their own sim, but making anything mandatory or saying you can't have such and such because it MIGHT offend should not be valid. This is based on what is possible not what has happened.

I'm rather confused as to why this is coming up in the first place. I've seen people who were underage banned from the grid. Obviously the linden's had the ability to verify their identity since they banned them for being underage. How then does this become our problem when we have no way to verify but LL does. The SL grid is for adults and adults only, we have a teen grid. LL needs to do their job and verify credentials for the safety of the residents since they obviously have the tools to do so.

I'm not privy to the situation that brought all this up, too many other things to focus on but it seems as if LL is listening to too many special interest groups or their lawyers. Though I cannot say as I am surprised. This is just another in a long list of things the lindens have done under a possible threat as opposed to a real one. Particles being limited to 5m for instance. Remove useful functionality so the minority of griefers can't greif, which they do anyway. Yeah, thanks LL.

Not that I've researched this at all so I could be entirely wrong.

You're from New York???

Love.

If I would show you Amsterdam.... yes, we would drive through the Red Light Destrict, it is part of Amsterdam.... and not a bad one.
Then I would show you "De Dam" and tell you about the monument there. Tell you about the surrending buildings. I would show The American Book Store (a place I love and maybe make you laugh). I would show you the sex-musuem (which has more to with the history of sex then with sex it selves ). I would show the many channels... The Kuiperstreet where I was born.... Take you to dinner in some small Asian bistro.
Then I would show you the City of Almere.... one of the biggest Dutch mistakes on architure...
At last I would take you the other side of country where I live now... Twente. And show you around there... and show you the easy life compared with busy Amsterdam....

Ah.... it would take many weeks to show it all... and more, to understand it all . But that is something that goes in two direction....

Morwen.

Same here in LA, where we are all beautiful and rich, the streets are paved with gold, we're all flakes and love to get naked in groups and meditate and the weather is always beautiful (looks out window at dreary day) Oh yeah, that one is true. TRUST ME

I guess there is a difference between here and the US....

I think what you call "Public TV" is dying here. Most people get a basic subscription of 3 or 4 Euro per month... then can get more if they pay more. But those porn channels are in the basic subscription... not the extended one.
And the old fashioned channels are all show on digital.

Morwen.

You can go to Help Island, flag down a passing Linden and ask them for assistance. They can set up a link that will allow you to update your account's info, including correcting RL name, gender and mailing address info, which you can't usually edit. If you ask, they can also set up a link for you so that you can manually pay the $9.95 that their own staff and registration system have neglected to bill you for.

My alts all have my RL name and address, a valid e-mail for each account, and either one of my credit cards or my PayPal account on file with LL. They have been set up that way since day one on each account. When they stopped asking for credit info on non-Premium account registrations, I followed up each registration with a trip to the website, where I manually added my payment info before I ever logged in with that account in-world. I've happily paid the $9.95 one-time Basic account fee on every account that they have billed me for. They have the credit card or PayPal info right there at their fingertips for all the accounts. They have a record of which accounts have paid a fee or not. If they complain that their own accounting was so lax that some of those alts didn't get charged a fee, when I honestly claimed them as alts and said they were my accounts, then they are perfectly welcome to take that up with their own accountants, who can do their jobs and send me a bill. To the best of my knowledge, all my alts have been billed for and paid their fees. If they can prove otherwise, all they have to do is bill me, using the payment info that is already on file with them.

Well heres one significant point.

Being tolerant of Sexual Orientation is SEPERATE from a Moral crack down on sex.

To combine the two would be to equate being gay with being immoral.

It is not. Its totally possible to be gay and be for sexual discretion, and not to support public nudity, prostitution, etc.

Being Gay is a different subject entirely.

I will say that Western European countries are more tolerant of Gays than the United states. So is Canada.

Thus saying Bush is anti gay does not equal America is anti-sex. People just get confused becuase many who are anti-gay are also supportive of more repressed sexual attitudes.

The Red Light District is famous.... but prostitution is not limited to the Red Light District... Maybe not whole Amsterdam... but a lot more then you may imagine.

Morwen.

I realize this far to well.... that is why I placed the "JUST KIDDING" to that remark of mine.

Morwen.

You couldn't tell?

True, I've never seen nudity on PBS, but have on BBC. Both backed by government money (at some level or other).

Oh, and basic subscription can get you the more graphic shows without paying more than basic (FX - The Shield; Nip N Tuck; that firefighting show, NYPD Blue (wait, that was the "free" channel), etc).

Thanks for the help. But I'm puzzled. I don't recall entering my address (not sure I was even asked), and I was honest about my RL name in both cases. LL only got my address for my primary when I put in my CC info... Guess I will talk to someone on help island and clear it up.

Love.

But im saying that in the US its not either. There are sin strips in large cities. And an Escort is as close as a phone book.

But just like in Amsterdam theres a Whole lot more than that so its just a small part.

The difference is in the hype. And well from what I have seen they are more tasteful about the open prostitution in Amsterdam's red light district than on 8 Mile.

There is occasional nudity on PBS, more it's language that's freeer than commercial stations. As far as cable and satellite stations here, they are not bound by the same FCC standards as broadcast channels. Many will self regulate, IE Comedy Central will show unedited comedy shows and movies only during late night hours.

Yes, the good old US of A is so liberal that a german childbook author was asked to overpaint a picture of a nude lady and the statue of a nude man in a book where a schoolclass visits a museum in order to have her book published in the USA. She refused to this censorship and declined the money offered.

In order to have people verify the big question will be, how much it will cost the average user and which payment methods will be available because at least in Europe many people (including me) don't have a credit card. I've never had a situation in RL where my normal atm card wouldn't be good enough to pay for things. PayPal as an alternate payment method isn't an option either for some. In Austria for example you can't verify a PaPal account with your Bank account, you need a CC for this ....... which is pretty ironic to those who don't have a CC and don't want to apply and pay for one just to play SL.

I honestly don't believe that LL is going to cover those costs and the 3rd party isn't going to do it for free after the beta at consierge level is done.

It would somehow be better if the government told a private book publisher what books it could publish and why?

Wait, you have an atm card? I kept hearing this "no CC" in [insert European country here] and moved on, but you have a debit card/atm? I also do not have a CC, but I was able to use my atm card in place of the CC. Oh and I'm boycotting Paypal, so I would have a real problem if my atm card hadn't been accepted by LL (had my identity stolen immediately after using Paypal; probably unrelated but burned once . . . ).

Oh, and I never said anything about the US of A being liberal or not liberal. Completely different topic.

Oh and in reaction to the children's author - I saw more nudity as a child in my Christian school class books than well anywhere else. Have no idea how that came about.

Yes, and I am worried that I keep hearing about the FCC wanting to expand to cover cable/satellite, etc.

Heh, I overlooked that Private business - book publisher So few openly government owned media outlets in the US of A, I didn't even think of the government - freedom issue.

Yes, a corporation in the US of A does in fact have the freedom to not publish a book if it contains something it thinks it can't sell. Some would do it for moral grounds, but most would not sell or sell based on whether or not they think an item can be sold.

There was mention of "Wardrobe Malfunction".

The response of the corporate minders to the bad reaction was to me classic corporate, and particularly classic corporate USA.

Someone clearly made an error of judgement in choreographing that act at the SuperBowl.
However, the corporate muppets could stand up po-faced after the event and regret the "wardrobe malfunction". Ludicrous, hypocritical, male-cattle-droppings!

Age Verification is in the same corporate/spiritual territory as Wardrobe Malfunction.
Both are stunningly ridiculous when subjected to scrutiny.
Both are designed to satisfy people who wish to avoid discussion of deeper issues.

It is ok to say "bull" in the US of A, and as far as I know, on this forum. Bull droppings. cow pie anyone?

Wasn't that tried a few years back.? So, in this case an author was ASKED to alter her material, and she refused, her right, the request made by a museum, a private entity most likely. I see nothing wrong with that. Two private entities tried to reach a business deal and were unsuccessful. Capitalism at its finest. And no Penquins were harmed.