Does Identity Verification mean ban for all home sexual interacts??
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Fluf Fredriksson
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09-20-2007 06:02
From: Victorria Paine According to SL, both are offered as examples of what is to be flagged. If it flunks either the AO standard or the R rating, it needs to be flagged. That seems to be the plain meaning of the blog post, and since I think the R rating is "lower" than the AO rating, effectively we're looking at the R rating as the yardstick in most cases. They are given as examples .. not the definitive line in the sand you seem to take it as. For one thing ratings systems need panels of assessors to agree on a specific rating which illustrates the problem of each individual in SL trying to interpret the systems for themselves. For another. I'd question the logic of applying a motion picture standard to a computer generated "game". None of the video game manufacturers do that as far as I know. And yes. I'm OK with questioning how people do things... see below... From: Victorria Paine Yes but they're not doing it that way. They're approaching the issue from the other way around, namely the landowner. Sucks, but there it is. Pretending the system is otherwise than how LL is explaining it is a waste of type. ... No offense but applying logical and moral reasoning to any situation is generally not a waste of type ... By your reckoning it would never be worth questioning the validity of anything anyone ever said to you because "they're not doing it that way". Interesting! |
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Arden Logan
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09-20-2007 06:04
From: Max Janick Soooo, let me get this straight. The spastic motions of a pair of badly animated avatars, flopping around in a computer game running at 12 FPS is deemed in some way offensive - as opposed to merely comical?
Here's a thought for all those who condone or administer censorship:
EDUCATE your children. Whether you have the balls to face it or not, the chances of your kids becoming involved in something potentially 'offensive' is increased greatly if you pretend that sweet little 14 year old Timmy has never thought about naked girls. Stop passing on the idea that the human body is something we should be embarrased about.
In fact, as we're talking 13+, can anyone cite me a single case of a 13 year old viewing a virtually simulated sexual act and being HARMED by it? To try and suggest a 13 year old would do anything but IM his/her friends whilst giggling inanely is to argue that day is night.
It's probably quite obvious how I personally view SL cybering, but mocking it derisively is by no means the same as feeling that people shouldn't be allowed to express themselves in this manner. It's simple roleplay and nothing more. As for other 'sexual' content, it's no worse than anything you'll find within seconds of typing a naughty word into google. I think this is more about limiting inappropriate contact between adults and the minors more than the actual viewing of indecent material.
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Colette Meiji
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09-20-2007 06:08
From: Arden Logan I think this is more about limiting inappropriate contact between adults and the minors more than the actual viewing of indecent material. I think the complications related to Adults and kids cybering is actually the core of the problem. That 13 year old cybering an adult is one sort of issue. The relationship that includes such, and the potential for RL disclosure and involvement is the most troubling part. I know Adults who have trouble saying no when pressured for RL information. I have no illusions there wont be kids with even less abilty to avoid it. |
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Morwen Bunin
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09-20-2007 06:12
From: bilbo99 Emu So, like someone else said, I'm going with the flow. Personally I don't think the sky is falling. Well Bilbo, I don't say the sky is falling. But I want to know what we are up to. What is restricted or not? Can I verify my age in a legal way? Or is verifying about really nothing and is basically meaningless (as was mentioned here)? When, how and what will happen. And yes. there was a side-track discussion. Many things were said. But when it showed clearly that it was a "dead end" discussion I dropped the subject. Simple as that. And *grins* I am just not the person to follow "the flow" always... Morwen. |
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Kalderi Tomsen
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09-20-2007 06:25
If enough people keep verifying and coming in-world and spending money, then LL is giving the people what they want. Complaining about it because it is not what *we* want is useless and will carry little or no weight with LL, who are producing a product and trying to make money. We therefore become the disenfranchised minority who must look elsewhere for a product that meets our needs.
Either this will have a negative impact on the SL economy, in which case LL will sit up and take notice, or it won't and we have to pick up our toys and go elsewhere. I feel it is as simple as that.
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Mephisto Offcourse
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09-20-2007 06:33
From: Bradley Bracken Mephisto, Pastor Niemoller's beautiful poem is grossly overused. In this instance it's deplorable. To compare what happened in Nazi Germany to anything that occurs on SL is absurd.
I get irritated and downright angry at many of the decisions made by LL, however, in the end I am always aware that they are a private company making decision regarding their product. They make stupid ones. They may make decisions that will cost them customers. Neither of those can compare to fascist governments. I don't believe that I compared LL to the nazis anywhere, I it sounds that way I am sorry because compared to that anything LL could do is irelevant What I wanted to express was the meaning of this poem as I understand it and as I interpreted it and what I said in the next quote and in what was written before it. What I meant by it is that the only way to affect LL would be a joint action by all users or at least by those users who pay LL. It would be nice if you had commented on my whole post and not only one bit of it completely ripped out of the context. please believe me that i as a german do not consider facism anything to take lightly or to joke about. |
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Nika Talaj
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09-20-2007 06:46
The standard has been left vague by LL. They have stated that they expect the community to be self-policing, and reports of unrestricted sexual content will be handled through the AR process. So, if someone complains about your parcel, you will have time to rectify by marking it restricted, removing the offending items, or even protesting the AR as harassment.
I fail to see why any residential landowner would mark a parcel restricted. Time enough to do that if a problem occurs.
Meanwhile, anyone who marks a residential parcel restricted is limiting their own available market for reselling or renting the land to those who have verified. If it turns out that everyone verifies, then this will not be a huge problem. If, however, less than 80% verify, estate owners should be cautious about jumping on the verification wagon.
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bilbo99 Emu
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09-20-2007 06:57
From: Morwen Bunin
And *grins* I am just not the person to follow "the flow" always...
Morwen.
Well I blame the detox clinic in the 70s .. never did clean all the vestiges of the 60s from me  There is what, six threads at present on variations on a theme? We can debate till we're blue in the face but LL will take little or no notice anyway. It's been said many times over they never read this forum. What has been revealed by feedback from some of the concierge users is that when they faced the mighty spectre of validation ... in one users words "it was a doddle" I believe. They are being asked for something out of a range of evidence. U.S., Canada, Europe, there have been successful validations in each I'm certain I've read. I hope the process won't be ridiculed as inefficient because what will come to replace it will raise even more protest I'm sure. I've expressed my view on the tagging elsewhere. Others have explained it better 
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09-20-2007 07:26
From: Mephisto Offcourse I don't believe that I compared LL to the nazis anywhere, I it sounds that way I am sorry because compared to that anything LL could do is irelevant
What I wanted to express was the meaning of this poem as I understand it and as I interpreted it and what I said in the next quote and in what was written before it. What I meant by it is that the only way to affect LL would be a joint action by all users or at least by those users who pay LL.
It would be nice if you had commented on my whole post and not only one bit of it completely ripped out of the context.
please believe me that i as a german do not consider facism anything to take lightly or to joke about. Mephisto, I did read your entire post and would have been willing to give you the benefit of the doubt except for you last sentence which was this: From: Mephisto Offcourse If any action taken was to be noticed by LL the community would have to stand together as one or at least all the people spending real money would have to do so but I'm afaraid that won't happen. That to me wrapped the entire post into one neat little package. I did not feel I was taking your statement out of context, and still do not as I read it. If it was not your intent to tie it all together, than I am sorry I misunderstood. I'll assume you were making a general statement about our entire society having become too complacent. If that is the case I cannot agree with you more. People don't get mad anymore. They stand around and grumble and bitch and complain but not mad. At least not mad enough to stand up and speak out. If people in this world would get as angry about real crimes against humanity as they do in these forums, the world would be a much better place. |
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Rock Vacirca
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09-20-2007 07:26
Napster tried to say that illegal content on their site was not their responsibility but the responsibility of the people who put it there. YouTube tried to argue the same thing. Both failed.
This is an attempt by LL to pass their responsibility onto the residents. It will fail also.
All content is held on LL's servers. They are solely responsible for it being available to others. All they can do is cancel your account for not abiding by their rules. As for the legal responsibility that is 100% down to LL.
None of the recent restrictions imposed by LL on casinos, sexual-related activities etc are present in HiPiHi (Chinese Second Life). What does this say about..
China (land of the oppressed)
USA (land of the free)
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Rock
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09-20-2007 08:37
From: Rock Vacirca Napster tried to say that illegal content on their site was not their responsibility but the responsibility of the people who put it there. YouTube tried to argue the same thing. Both failed.
This is an attempt by LL to pass their responsibility onto the residents. It will fail also.
All content is held on LL's servers. They are solely responsible for it being available to others. All they can do is cancel your account for not abiding by their rules. As for the legal responsibility that is 100% down to LL.
None of the recent restrictions imposed by LL on casinos, sexual-related activities etc are present in HiPiHi (Chinese Second Life). What does this say about..
China (land of the oppressed)
USA (land of the free)
??
Rock Uhm, in an hour later you'll be posting this again?
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Colette Meiji
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09-20-2007 08:42
From: Rock Vacirca Napster tried to say that illegal content on their site was not their responsibility but the responsibility of the people who put it there. YouTube tried to argue the same thing. Both failed.
This is an attempt by LL to pass their responsibility onto the residents. It will fail also.
All content is held on LL's servers. They are solely responsible for it being available to others. All they can do is cancel your account for not abiding by their rules. As for the legal responsibility that is 100% down to LL.
None of the recent restrictions imposed by LL on casinos, sexual-related activities etc are present in HiPiHi (Chinese Second Life). What does this say about..
China (land of the oppressed)
USA (land of the free)
??
Rock It says that maybe the metaverse wont be coming out of some place that cares about regulations on gambling, preventing children accessing porn, and preventing rampant fraud. |
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Brenda Connolly
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09-20-2007 08:47
From: Ann Launay Hey, he might be thinking about naked boys.  Waitress, Bannana creme please. And Coffee.
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Torian Carter
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09-20-2007 08:53
By LL logic of offensive..
Personally I find those statues of jesus on the cross, bleeding from his wounds offensive. All churches in RL should immediately start doing AV or be closed down.
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Oryx Tempel
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09-20-2007 10:06
The whole idea of the adult parcels is ridiculous. If LL wants to be draconian, they'll require each and every avatar to age-verify. That way, no adult parcels will be necessary because LL has absolved itself of any responsibility toward content, seeing as how (presumably) the verified avatars are all over 18.
If LL is going to do this, they should do it all the way. REQUIRE age verification by all users. Problem solved. (Then they could get rid of that stupid 9 million something number by deleting all accounts that haven't verified by a certain date, say 6 months from time of institution of the rule.)
I personally don't agree with either the way they've done it, or the solution above, but this is just a suggestion.
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09-20-2007 10:17
From: Brenda Connolly Waitress, Bannana creme please. And Coffee.  
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09-20-2007 11:47
Ohhhhh Annnie............
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09-20-2007 13:00
From: Brenda Connolly Ohhhhh Annnie............ Or just drop in to the back room at the new Forum Cartel hangout... |
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Morwen Bunin
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09-20-2007 13:01
From: Har Fairweather Or just drop in to the back room at the new Forum Cartel hangout... Sorry... I emptied that out a little ago... *munches* Morwen |
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09-20-2007 13:07
From: someone Ohhhhh Annnie............ I'm not your Daddy ..... |
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09-20-2007 13:09
From: Har Fairweather Or just drop in to the back room at the new Forum Cartel hangout... What New Forum Cartel Hangout? Why am I always the last to know of these things?
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09-20-2007 13:11
From: Brenda Connolly What New Forum Cartel Hangout? Why am I always the last to know of these things? Maybe that's because you haven't stopped by yet.... Someone send this woman an LM! |
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09-20-2007 13:13
From: Morwen Bunin Sorry... I emptied that out a little ago...
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Morwen Morwen! All eight flavors? I'm shocked. Aren't you risking weighing Holland down even further below sea level? |
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09-20-2007 13:13
From: Oryx Tempel Maybe that's because you haven't stopped by yet.... Someone send this woman an LM! And why the hell wasn't I appointed to anything involving this?
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Morwen Bunin
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09-20-2007 13:32
From: Har Fairweather Morwen! All eight flavors? I'm shocked. Aren't you risking weighing Holland down even further below sea level? Ha... I am on the good side of the country, way above sea level.... Okay Okay.... *pushes one box back* I had to think of the story of the boy who saved the country by placing his finger into a dyke..... *looks innocent* Such a hero.... Morwen. |