Does Identity Verification mean ban for all home sexual interacts??

Been to the Dresden Gallery in SL? It's full of "child pornography"!!! (For the sarcasm impared, yes I am kidding)

Well now that even nude pictures of babies is considered such by paranoid and overly "protective" governments anyway. Will Dresden Gallery be required to be restricted? Do they get a pass becuase of it's historical significance?

Would a copy of the Statue of David on my front lawn be restriced?

The entire thing is INSANE.

The prudishness of the US is often over-exagerated.

There is plenty of sexual content on US TV, they just dont show nipples.

Authorities REGUALARILY look the other way with reguards to prostitution, sex clubs, strip clubs, etc. They only strictly enforce all these "prude" laws around election time.

We shouldnt confuse "blue laws" with actual mores and enforcement.

They are mainly a means to keep one of the biggest and most important voting group - senior citizens - placated.

I don't agree, but it is a side issue to the main discussion so I will not bother to continue to debate this. I've lived in Europe quite a bit over the years, and suffice to say, my own anecdotal experiences are that the total environment towards all of these sex issues is markedly different .. but we're all entitled to our opinions, and to disagree with each other's opinions, as we see fit.

Don't see for one second that if you want to express yourself in SL ... and that happens to be an expression which is either adult or - GASP - might just be something which you as a consenting adult do offline too and know others would enjoy ... you get a choice.

I am resigned to having to verify. Personally I don't much care about verification, having seen the info that Atristotle actually provides ... what worries me far more are the load of people who will FAIL verification for very little reason i.e. how crappy a system it is.

Every day I see LOADS of 'could not find data' and we end up at my place asking for not only a Drivers Licence or Passport, we are wanting a card/bank statement or a ultility bill proving address.

Choice is the thing here, and the worry that if you want to curl up with a loved one are you going to be ARd.

I can already see how a certain type of mindset ... let's say someone with a grudge ... is going to start hassling people with a place that isn't flagged.

/me goes to get my passport then.

Was this outside on public property? Or on private property somewhere?

It's common for amusement parks to require everyone to wear shirts. This isn't so much prudishness as it is about maintaining a particular type of atmosphere, one that's slightly more formal. They'll also eject people for foul language, or other activities that would cause the overall atmosphere to change from being kid-friendly.

I believe it was Palm Beach, FL, that tried to have an ordinance prohibiting male joggers from running shirtless. It may have been some other city, but regarless, this was about snobbishness, not prudishness.

On the other hand, I recently saw a family in a store where one boy, probably closer to 4 or 5, wasn't wearing a shirt. This is highly unusual where I am (New England), but it's not like anyone cared or they were ejected.

I asked the question on another post, and no one seems to be able to answer, but how will this assumption that the unverified are underaged work with group notices, search results, personal sending of objects, etc?

If I own a group and send out a skin or sexgen ad to all the members, will I be held accountable for distributing that material to minors? Marking a group mature isn't enough, given that marking property mature isn't enough. What about sending objects to people?

That was the point in requiring everyone be 18 to be here at all. Now we are making the assumption that people could be minors, so... should I make sure anyone that gets a skin ad is verified to protect myself?

It seems insipid that I have to restrict my land, but I can send hardcore porn to anyone in SL anytime I like. Obviously if this is the excuse, that is far less kosher than screwing in your house.

LOL well ... I am remembering the famous News of the World story about a club raided where someone who was a switch was referred to as being 'dressed as a lightbulb'.

Dressed as a lightbulb?!

I mean come on ... it doesn't matter how freaky you get, dressing as a lightbulb doesn't do it for anyone ...

Unless ... hmmmm

/me goes off to make secret lightbulb avs ...

How the heck did you validate them? I have created an alt, and there was really nothing I could enter to specify that it was an alt excepting the email address, which I deliberately didn't want to be the same as Love's email address. If I enter the CC info into the second account, will they register it as an ALT and bill me the ten bucks then, or will they flag me as a TOS violator and ban me???

Love.

Different Attitudes - Yes to an extent.

Does that make the US a prudish country? No.

Does that mean there is more sex in Europe than the US? No.

Thats my point.

Hmm. I suppose I ought to rent a DVD of Sex and the City, and compare it to what's actually being broadcast these days on TBS (a regular network station carried on many cable systems as part of the basic package). My intuition tells me that it's more than nipples. Stations still bleep out naughty words, even in the late night slot when it's ok. And I believe the FCC got slapped down recently, because their rules about naughty words were too strict. This isn't about appeasing elderly voters just before election time, it's because the right wing in the US, which controls the White House and until recently controlled Congress, has prudery as one of their core values. And they've been trying hard to increase those laws and the enforcement of them.

I think you're missing the sense of proportion, and perhaps others are too. Saying that the US is more prudish than Europe doesn't mean that none of this stuff exists in the US. It does mean that there's a qualitative difference in the way they exist. I remember being at the Hague in the early nighties, and walking from the main beach at the bus stop a few hundred yards to get to the nude beach. Sure, there are nude beaches in the US, but not nearly as common and rarely as easy to get to as that. Even after the Town of Provincetown voted in support of a nude beach, the US Park Service refused to allocate space for one along the Cape Cod National Seashore. It's hard to imagine that a seaside community iin any of the more liberal European communities would be refused such a request.

It's not allowed versus not-allowed. It's about how common and easy it is to find these things, and how strongly people react to them.

(By the way, "blue laws" refer to laws that restrict business on Sunday, not to laws restricting sex-related activities.)

But thats where we disagree, Colette. To me it is as clear as the crisp blue sky today that the US is substantially more prudish about sex than Western Europe. Now that's my opinion, and you're entitled to yours, but we just disagree.

Sorry, but the latest attempt in Congress to insure the FCC was holding to a strict enforcement policy was co sponsored by two Democrats.

I must have missed the blog where LL told us they had sold all our information to Integrity for purposes of verification.

Unless LL have been telling big fat lies, they are not disclosing our personal information to Integrity and Integrity are not disclosing our personal informtion to LL. So having payment info used on your alts makes no difference and people who have lied to create their alts can lie to get them verified.

Not in all cases. Do a google.

Blue laws also refers to laws enforcing morality.

I dont like to play dictionary lawyer But within 5 minutes I found your definition and mine in several places.

Sorry... that has nothing to do with atmosphere or being "formal". Over here it very common for boys/men to walk with jeans/shorts only when the weather allows it.

I have seen often here in town. I have seen it in Amsterdam. I have seen it in amusement parks and zoo's.... I have seen it at music concerts (and at some of them it where not only the boys/men).

Morwen

OMG so have I !

And Ive never been east of Virginia.

But if you have never experienced the environment in Europe first hand, how can you possibly comment on the comparisons of others who have?

I'm actually confused here. Rules against men/boys going shirtless? I've never seen that in amusement parks or zoos. And I've seen shirtless men/boys in amusement parks/zoos (and elsewhere here in the US of A).

By the way, I was quite disappointed when I lived in England and didn't find people wandering around nude. Every time I tried the TV when they were supposed to be showing nudity, I'd find a cricket match. I think it was the same cricket match, actually, the whole time I was in England (and I do not mean that they kept replaying the same match).

Now come on, unless you were here during The Ashes win they don't show much cricket after the 9pm watershed! They do show plenty of nudity though, although it should be added that the UK is a little more uptight about such matters than some of our European neighbours.

European Society generally has a more "Enlightened" attitude than We do here in regards to sex definitely, but I wouldn't call it prudish. It's more of a case of we tend to "Officially" think that sex and nudity are better left behind closed doors, despite it's ready availablity just about anywhere. And I agree, neither of our 2 parties are blameless in attempts to sanitize media, in fact the left tend to be the standard bearers for political correctness, when it suits their agenda.

I can comment on how prudish people think the US is. I could say a lot more but Ive held back on such since its not really the place on this forum.

The US simply is not as prudish as people in Western Europe claim it is.

For someone not trying to debate I wonder why you made THIS quoted post at all.

It was in 1999. Did they win in 1999? I also note that it was a University owned TV which may or may not matter in regards to the TV, but seemed to increase the likelihood of nude people walking around (spent most of my time off-campus though). Didn't see any

Wait, I remember one evening when they started showing hard-core porn. Though I think it was a feed from Skinamax (which is, of course, a US of A channel; and a nickname for Cinemax).

It's because, Colette, I was floored when you said that you have never experienced Europe. Prudishness is a relative term, not an absolute one, at least as far as I was using it, which was in comparison to Europe. In other words, my claim here has been that the US is prudish when compared with Europe (most Western Europe). It's fine if you disagree, but that you have no basis for comparison pretty much entirely undermines whatever you have said about this. I hate to be blunt, but there it is. I'm shocked that you would form an opinion about this without having your own experiences to form the basis of that opinion, to be honest. I mean you are still entitled to your opinion, but it appears to be based on insufficient knowledge, as far as I can tell.

Maybe you should have get a digital channel subscription.... I have 3 porn channels all for free and I never watch them....

Morwen.

Do you want sex now?