Does Identity Verification mean ban for all home sexual interacts??

Scrummy! mmmmmmmmmmm love the pecan

Now full as a full thing thats been specially fulled.

Cup of tea anyone?

i was too ... glad i didn't ... would have caused quite a bit of damage crashing thru bilbo's roof.

... I tink I'd hafta opt out of dat.

Mari

We are very aware of the need for sunscreen, particularly on children - I agree it is very important. I think the difference is that we see men and boys shirtless in town, walking down the street, in shops, on the bus - if it was a hot summer day, I would not think it inappropriate for a six year old boy not to have a shirt on in a shopping mall. This, apparently, is odd/unusual in the US?

The Netherlands seems far more unconcerned about nudity than the UK - so much so at times it can seem quite disconcerting to me, but this is their norm. "When in Rome, do as the Romans do!" - so when in SL????

It depends on the location. In beach and resort communities this is not uncommon. In midtown Manhattan, even in sweltering heat, it's not common to see bare chests, no. It's contextual. The real hang up, however, is not male nudity or bare chests, but female nudity of any sort. American beaches are eons away from the ones you see in the South of France or Spain, for example. Toplessness for women, even at the beach, is illegal in the US.

Oryx, you are right, I don't have any numbers, only empirical data collected by myself chatting to people who have told me that they no longer have much interest in pouring money into SL any more. The general feeling is that they don't know what is coming next from the LL legal team.

I know several people who stopped coming in-world because of the Gambling ban.

My point was more that whining about LL changing this isn't going to do a darned thing. If people come in-world, verify, and bring money in, then they shouldn't be complaining when LL do something they don't like, because they are supporting LL and the style of world LL want. Do you understand what I mean?

i'm afraid i pinched those pies for the forum t-shirts
which are all PG btw (pulling back to topic vaguely)

so *that's* why I get a solar eclipse at 2.15pm every day!!!



I've already commented on my take on the stipulated restrictions. I'll confess I've not read the latest blog but am curious about someones view that numbers will tumble.
Considering the forum here represents a very small proportion of the population I'd expect a large number of individuals who aren't following this thread issue and studying the blog that as and when time calls for additional verification they will comply maybe grudgingly but comply nevertheless.
IF zoning gets worse and legislation gets worse and creators and owners start leaving in droves, I for one shall stay and chat and play for as long as possible. Not being a creator or big time owner, there is no question of my puting large money into SL anyway but I think the view that a majority of the populace who aren't registered won't verify when the notices start getting posted is exagerated.
I hope it's exagerated.
I can understand a lot of owners apprehension and Colette's post about a validation system that is inefficient now will be a pathetic joke in two years is worrying. I was thinking this myself. I have no sweeping theory of how to remedy this but can only, like I'm doing in RL right now in a similar situation that is beyond my control, sit and wait .. and enjoy the time as best I can.

Did someone mention pecan?

Yes it does, and it seems LL would rather pass the responsibility of investigating things over to these types of people, so all LL has to do is "open report, read a line or two, press ban button, done". Then that particular LL employee gets to go crow about how many AR's they handled today over coffee in the break room.
Personally I haven't said much concerning verification, but I will say this... If it ever gets to the point where I feel I cant dress provocatively, be myself openly, or be privately intimate without worrying about who may be breaking my personal space and filling out an AR, then I'll probably have 2 pieces of verrry choice mainland up for sale. By passing LL's own "open registration cleanup duties" onto the residents and giving them crap tools to do it with, they've pretty much sealed their own fate. Absolutely nobody likes the feeling of having to look over their shoulder for anything, and unlike this lame age verification excuse, USING SL is truly "Voluntary".

*wonders if ginko offered homeowners insurance?*

"A couple weeks back, LL announced the trial of a new identity verification scheme. The trial is voluntary, and only for Concierge level account holders, which is why you haven't seen it yet."

So when do these parcels and estates need to be marked "restricted?" I would presume immediately, since the new TOS is out. But when can we, the common people, get verified? (Presuming we want to.). Does this mean that my favourite location is now effectively shutdown to anybody who's not a verified concierge user (assuming the location owner complies immediately)?

Or since I have a few interesting items in my own home, I need to mark it as restricted and can no longer access it?

Love.

Bottom line:

They haven't yet enabled the viewer or the grid so that all users can activate the "Restricted content" flag. It will likely be in one of the upcoming mandatory updates.

Once they make the flag available, sending in your age verification info and using the flag to mark ALL Mature parcels will be just as "voluntary" as accepting or declining the TOS - unless the only things you EVER do in SL are strictly G-rated, and only take place in PG sims. It will only be a matter of time before all Mature-rated sims are forced to use the restricted flag, because very few Mature sims have absolutely NO R-rated or stronger content.

Don't want to verify? So long. It's been nice knowing you. Maybe we'll meet again some day on the rare occasions when I go to a PG-rated sim.

It doesn't matter if you agree with LL on this one, or if you think their verification procedure would make great fertilizer for your garden. The fact is, it's their world, and their rules, and if you or anyone on your land uses any adult content, in this "Over-18-only game for adults", then if you fail to restrict, you will risk losing everything you have in SL.

I don't like it, but the risk of trying to buck the system on this one is too great for me.

You can always access your own land, apparently.

Timing on the rest is not clear, Love. Clearly wont be implemented until the verification regime is fully rolled out to the lumpen proletariat.

Interesting idea, given they can't get the average user to even REGISTER, much less verify their identity. I find it hard to believe your assertion, honestly. When every single avatar that isn't registered and verified can't come into your place of business, do you think it will be profitable to stay in business?

When your sim owner can demand that you put up a big wall barring anonymous users, will it be meaningful to rent from them? Would you buy property when the covenant says your friends who visit you have to verified? How about new businesses that rely on people coming and getting a free copy of the program to visit their place of business for information, etc?

Support groups that deal with sexual topics, etc? A friend of mine is involved in a sim that counsels troubled women. I can't imagine them asking those people to offer up their driver's license number, BUT, heck, since it is residential as well I guess they either have to police them morally or do so.

This is honestly a terrible idea, and I can't imagine how anyone with the presence of mind to tie their shoes could ever imagine it would turn out well.

No, people will still buck the system, but they won't RISK their effort and money in the process. This, again, shifts the world population more from the content-producing, free thinking people toward mall rats waiting for the new corporate sim to open so they can get a crappy T-Shirt.

I read an article once about the teen grid being really outraged over sculpties. Why? Because they were poor, downtrodden kids who don't have the money for a 3d program or the time to learn how to use a free one. That's who LL is shooting to please, squelching people with talent and willingness to contribute in favor of them.

It makes no sense, whatsoever. Corporations halfass their efforts in SL, and abandon them. Kids rarely contribute meaningfully, and don't have the disposable income to support SL. The 30-somethings that want a free world where they can create and interact in an unbridled way? Those are the people who are unsavory. Like I said, it makes no sense at all.

OK, thanks for the information Ceera and Victorria. I actually went to the support site to try to get this information... silly me.

Love.

Dang, I was gonna ask you for a mod version of the T-shirts, I can't rip the sleeves off the ones in the box. But I am not giving up my panties T shirt.

if ur ever forced to close shop morwen, i`ll offer u a place as i don`t give a flying fuck about policy morons at LL and set a sim tp on a notecard giver that ppl are tresspassing and even wave their right to breath away when stepping out of the booth

this will endup as a new griefer toy
why grief 2-3 ppl when u can grief a couple 100rd with filing AR`s and have them banned?
"oh look a sex ball! AR!!!!"

pointless, stupid, more sensative to fraud and makes ginko looks trustworthy again...

http://www.fakenamegenerator.com/
Hey, Does this work with hte age verification system!?






By the way, if Linden Lab truely wants the minors to not see any of the restricted contents, they should change the way the client works.
It should make the avatars and their equipments on banned or group only or restricted land invisible to the outside avatars, that way we get more privacy, and we don't need to worry about minors standing against the verification ban line moving their cameras to your loved one's private parts. We can just turn the group only shield on and off but don't need to worry if your new friend is verified or unverified.
Don't you all think this is more natural than to flag the land and yet be seen by outsiders????

I just don't understand why a Credit Card is not sufficient. It works for 99% of the porn sites out there that contain stuff 100 times worse than SL. LL says a Credit card is not a proof of identity, which is true in a way. But access to a credit card lets you do a background check on someone from the phone book for about $20. That information will include Name, Address SSL# etc that can then be used 'verify' your identity. Bottom line, any determined and reasonably smart kid who already has a credit card will be able to get around this.

Will I 'trust' someone based on LL verification process... no way! In fact this actually promotes fraud. Any thief or con man knows that gaining the victims trust is their best weapon. With this they have LL actually helping them.

And what about the 'Marketing SL to Corporations' push. Do I have to tell my boss and customers that they cannot attend a meeting unless they verify with their SSL# - B*llsh*t Nobody in their right mind will touch that with a barge pole.

Wait until they implement this nonsense. The PG sims will be so overloaded that it will probably be impossible to logon. At least that will stop new people signing up because they will not be able to get to the welcome areas.

Wooot, glad you like them, i'll throw you a mod version of the panties flavour later

I speculated, with an analogy, what "broadly offensive" meant some months ago.
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It would appear now that the most restrictive interpretation has prevailed.

You can bet PG sims won't be overloaded, unless someone bothers to make things to do in PG sims. Most of the people I know who do art shows or have discussion groups purposely make them in mature sims in the likely event that the topic at hand drifts to adult matters. No one likes to tell an artist to take down a painting, or to shush someone in a good discussion just because their point touches on sex.

You WILL see sims close because of this. It simply won't be profitable to run sexually-themed sims when people have to be verified to get in. That's the point of this, in my opinion, to starve out the content that LL believes to be unsavory.

Since people won't be able to verify their half dozen alts, the totals on the front page should change over time, too. Less users logging in per month to brag about to corporations. That's less users also visiting those inane corporate enterprises that spring up and disappear regularly.

Casinos weren't life threatening. This could be. If you stripped away everyone from SL that wasn't a registered, credit card info member, how many would there be right now? If you took the content made by those people away, how much would be left? I think there is a whole lot of overestimation involved with this policy, and I think that will become apparent within weeks after this is imposed for real.

This may have been asked and answered, I've tried to read this entire thread but...

The other day, my sl partner and I had a griefer who took over control on one of our menu driven items (nevermind what we were doing, it has cuddle poses ) but anyway....Okay, so I set the item to group, and that problem is solved, but thanks to a recent tutorial on the blog, this griefer is using camera controls to get inside my house, situated on the other side of my land, which is off limits to anyone but me and my partner. he/she/it was flying on the other side of the "ban lines" and was able to go through our huge house entirely with camera angles. We had no recourse, as the person wasn't on our land, nor had we any "proof" that this person did anything specific besides look..

but..Seems to me marking parcels mature is only going to stop people walking into them...people are gonna look at what they want, as the Lindens themselves have already told them how to use camera controls to view things. We may as well leave everything wide open, and just let them stand around and watch...that way we KNOW who's watchin us

blah...It's not that I'm that big into "adult recreation" in sl, but I don't like my privacy violated by some 13 year old with good "mouse skills".

Just a thought, it may have been brought up earlier. But will this "restricted" ban go all the way up into the sky? If so how will that affect those unverifieds who like to fly? If not does that spell the end of skybox hideaways?