Does Identity Verification mean ban for all home sexual interacts??

What good is your property if it is closed to 90% of the users of SL? This obviously won't cause most land owners to require verification, since that would make their sims ghost towns. What it will mean is that people will just start morally policing wholesale, and if you want something HBO instead of the 700 Club, be prepared to sit around by yourself or with a couple of verified friends.

Since they can't get the average user to even register, I challenge anyone to convince me they'll get even the average registered user to verify.

I, too, am highly dismayed at the direction that SL is taking. The truly interesting people are leaving, because they feel that their creativity is being stifled. The people that want to bring "fun cash" into the world are leaving because they don't feel like they can truly enjoy themselves any more without someone knowing their identity.

The nub of the whole thing, as I see it, is that LL own the platform, and have a right to do whatever they want with it. Nobody else in SL owns a darned thing in any legal manner, so we have no rights.

The only thing we can do is to vote with our feet (or our wallets/purses/PayPal) - Linden Lab is obviously doing this to make money (they aren't a charity). If their source of money starts going down, their revenues go down, and they will need to do something about it.

If you do not like what SL has to offer, then the only way to communicate that effectively to LL is by not giving them your money. Complaining on fora isn't going to do a thing while they still make enough money.

If the numbers of active residents keeps dropping, less and less companies are going to be interested in sinking money into the world, too.

Bottom line is that Linden NEEDS residents in SL, and it needs the residents to spend money. If we change our spending habits based on our satisfaction with the world, then LL will notice. If we continue spending money, then they will continue doing what *they* think is what is needed.

Add me to the list of residents that won't be verifying for as long as possible, and won't be spending much money in the near future, either.

Now that SL is becoming increasingly so restrictive, I wonder how long it will take a rival to come along and truly compete, giving people what LL is no longer willing to offer its SL residents....

I am outside of the US and verification using my driving licence worked for me. What's the problem?

From my point of view this would raise the price of mainland property, honestly. I would much rather be policed by the inept Lindens than be policed by an estate owner paranoid about being policed by the Lindens. The TOS is bad enough, now we'll have the new revised covenants layered on top of it.

I'm in a sellin kind of mood, suddenly.

Its not as bad as you describe.

Here in the US we tend to put shirts on boy children in the sun becuase of skin damage and the risk of eventual skin cancer.

Its not being prudish. Men and boys at the pool or the beach do not wear shirts. Most parents go heavy on the sunscreen for their kids.

Yes this sort of thing exists discouraging women from being topless. But it just confuses everything to claim these hangups are broader than they are.

No, R-rated is a pretty low standard - it seems makes Mature land something like PG-13 - but that doesn't change my point. LL doesn't care what we think about the whole thing. Period.

If this true, then LL's "age verifying" is even less meaningful as a Credit Card-verification....

Morwen.

As they said their selves, they cannot support every kind of driving license that is used around the world. Almost every country has their own system for it.

Same was said about Social ID numbers.

Morwen.

It would probably be easier for a kid to get a parent's DL number than the parent's credit card number, which would make the basic registration more effective than this...

Every Week New TOS Rules and new stupid Rules for the residents.


LL says that they are a International Company, so for me as German Person is the entire R RAted thing from the US totally Unclear.

Next thing is that its totally unclear what exactly mzustb e rated as restrictet and what not, and the best thign is , ask a Linden and you become a Link to the Blog but not a simple clear answer.

A few weeks ago i asked a Linden how i must Flag my Land cause its Club and Mall, and he told me i should divide the parcel and flag the club restrictet and the mall not, so wheres the logic? Everybody from the mall parcel can look in the club can control there camera and zoom into the club ´parcel, click tipjars and much more.

Thsi entire Age verification thing is idiotic, it would be ok if a restricted flagged parcel is invisible for not verified users, but not when its simply not allowed to walk into this parcel

The other thing is, LL would acitvate this verification system and everybody must use it directly, but whats with people from outside the US who dont know until the system is active which data is needed to verify? This people then be banned cause they dont flag there lad directly or they flag there land and cannot access it.

Very true LL doesnt care what we think. Its a business decision having to do with their long term vision of SL. One that will basically be open for any age particiapant thats allowed to chat online.


What I meant by the change is when they first announced age verification the Bar they hinted at for requiring a flag was much closer to a "X rated" or a "NC17" movie ... R Rated was not going to require the flag. Now its much lower.

This was why so many people wanted them to define what they meant by "Explicit" becuase the use of such a broad term allows them to slide the bar around.

Just like it seems they have.

yep, but it could help in your case

That is true .

Morwen.

Yeah, I've never actually seen anything I consider explicitly sexual in a R-rated movie. Explicit, to me, is seeing certain bits actually interacting with other bits, not just two people rubbing up against one another in a way that *suggests* those bits may be interacting.

Again, though, what helps us get onto our own land is meaningless if we are sitting there by ourselves. I could easily verify in a bunch of different ways, and I may, honestly. What I won't do is put any money, not a thin dime, into land that I have to restrict to people who have verified.

So... SL loses content, SL loses users, SL loses money. SL probably gains more ghost town sims owned by softdrink companies and tennis shoe manufacturers in return. Hurrah!

So if the flag is down to something like PG-13 as described on that ratings webpage (note mention of brief nudity there....) it means that we will all have to toggle the restricted button on and off to even get changed in our homes

Ann can you supply some pies while I sit and read all this?

A mixed selection please.

Do you deliver?

Here's a thought...

If I use megaprims to create giant representations of genatalia on my land, and flag the parcel as mature, I'll be following the letter of TOS, but haven't prevented anyone from viewing it. -or are all restricted parcels going to look like empty lots?

I agree, like it was said before...this is just another way for LL to look like they're actually handling it.

Mandy C

It's funny that the blog page that says this junk often features SL nudity in the flicker ads...

Yes its a substantial change, I think. R is ... well if R needs to be restricted, then there is absolutely no sense having Mature sims. Let's just have *all* mature sims be restricted, because you and I and everyone else knows that much of what takes place in Mature sims is R rated.

What ticks me off about this is that it places a weapon in the hands of the busybody crusading prudes in SL.

Well thats the other thing.

If this verification is so easy to get - that people will fraudulently verify routinely.

IN a coupel fo years people will say that the verification system is no good at all becuase people can verify their dog on SL.

And well get an even more intrustive verification system.

Yay.

Coming right up!

Oh, Elaina, you missed the big flap, then.

A couple weeks back, LL announced the trial of a new identity verification scheme. The trial is voluntary, and only for Concierge level account holders, which is why you haven't seen it yet.

The scheme would have you identify yourself with one of your "official numbers"...it varies by country. Drivers license, passport, social security, etc.

LL claims this will "build trust" since you'll know more about who you're talking to or doing business with. Most of us say this is a pernicious lie. First, it's been proven that the verification system can be easily spoofed with made-up data. Second, anyone could use someone else's number to verify. Third, the verification company has been known to sell personal data in the past. Fourth, supposedly this personal data is all deleted once you've used it to verify...so how the heck could any other person use it, either directly or through a query to LL, to "know whom they're dealing with"? Finally, even if I gave you my name, address, phone number, and a string of references, I could still cheat you if I were an unscrupulous person. People lie, cheat, and steal in RL all the time. ID verification is a sham. You build trust with a person based on their actions, not on some identification number.

The other thing is, LL seems to be doing everything possible to confuse and muddle the related issues of age verification, personal data disclosure, and flagging "restricted" content.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm brushing up on the music and lyrics to "It's a Small, Small World", because it won't be long before Second Life is as sweet and nice and squeaky clean as Disneyland. And about as shallow.

Figures please. I don't know where you get this idea from. I see LOTS of creative people in my grid travels, and met a whole slew of them yesterday. And last I checked, I'm not leaving, and I'm one of the "fun cash" people. No one I know is leaving because of this thing.