Does Identity Verification mean ban for all home sexual interacts??

>Since people won't be able to verify their half dozen alts, the totals on the front page should change over time, too. Less users logging in per month to brag about to corporations. That's less users also visiting those inane corporate enterprises that spring up and disappear regularly.


The log ins for the past 2 months has already dropped from 1,600,000 to 1,360,000, you know its the casino effect. It will further go down.


I made a thread in Feature Suggestion about flagging the parcel visibility and invisibility option.
This will solve a lot of problems LL is trying to solve and can't.

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Of course it couldn'y possibly be the LL wil recieve a kickback, on the information provided to this third party company, who will then sell it on.

That cant be the reason they're pushin AV, on an over 18's anyway system, can it?

If my CC is good enough for them to take my money from, it's good enough for them to accept as proof of being over 18. If not, why not?

Would be nice to get a straight answer for once, but, like the guidelines for gambeling, just vague rubbish that clears nothing up at all, and produces massive threads in forums as people try to figure out what they mean.

Something strange about this announcement. Why was it put out on a Tuesday before an extended downtime instead of the usual Friday at quitting time duck and run we usually get?

maybe it`s an indication of how long the servers will be offline?

Maybe they are expecting people to start setting themselves on fire again, and want to beef up the servers for all those new scripts and effects. If you think taking away people's sploders made them mad, wait until their strip bars and swinger clubs start disappearing, or their landlords tell them to take down their Gorean slave posters and that their Kajirea have to wear turtlenecks.

As an aside, I'm predicting it here, slavery bans will be on the platter of moral edicts soon. If minors can't see boobies, then you can bet your big Gorean man leading his chain of silked and collared slaves won't be kosher, either. They'll just say it is demeaning and abusive and toss it into the mix with all the other things.

its DELIBERATELY vague, so LL can enforce it in their usual arbitrary and capricious manner. Its that simple folks.

Sooz

I have reported a new feature suggestion on JIRA


More Privacy for Your Home (Anti to Identity Verification Policy)
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2525



Please give your vote, if you agree with the idea!

There are nude beaches in the US of A. You are allowed to walk around nude in your house. You are not required to have all your lights off and all windows blocked before changing clothes. Heck, they have video cameras in the changing rooms "for your protection." You are allowed to have nude artwork up in the US of A. There are strip clubs, the porn industry, nudity in PG films (yes, you can in fact show nudity in PG films, you can even swear and/or use profanity in a PG film - just less than in a PG-13 film, and a lot less than a R rated film). In the US of A, despite some misunderstandings, does not, in fact, have a government that requires people to permanently superglue coverings over "the naughty bits"; or to have them surgically removed.

Hustler, Playboy, National Geographic, and other similar and or more "explict/graphic/etc." magazines can be bought in normal book-stores (you do not have to go into a dark alley where a guy will open his coat and point at the magazine and whisper "want this? want this? first copy is free . . ".

Aww you spoiled it for so many people, you Mythbuster you.

Those who want to continue to have access to adult content in SL WILL verify, or they will leave and get their jollies somewhere else. Think about it. SL is advertized and marketed as an ADULT environment. Yes, there are certainly PG uses for SL. Heck, 95% of what I do in SL could be done in a sim that Disney would heartily approve of. But there are other things that would definitely fall under the "Restricted" category. You may not like it, but if you want access to adult content, you'll eventually cave in and sign up, even if the "protections" make no sense. You can only hold your breath like a petulent child for just so long.

I should certainly hope that the "Restricted" parcel flag will go all the way to 768 Meters. But if it doesn't, the answer is simple enough. I am certain that in that case every SL Security Orb will get updated to allow it to be configured to eject/ban any unverifird person that enters its scanning range. That is what they did with the "No Payment on file" flag. It's a pretty simple matter for an orb to check with the parcel and see if the person is allowed on that land or not.

But I would also hope that LL implements something that ensures that an unverified account can not in any way look into or interact with a restricted parcel. As in, absolutely NO data from that restricted parcel is sent to that client, unless the logged in user is verified. It sure will make the grid look like a barren wasteland full of strange holes or opaque towers to the Unverifieds, but that will encourage them to pony up their info in the long run. Just to see the rest of the world.

Will this be the death of X and R rated play in SL? No, no more so than a city ordinance requiring Adult businesses to check ID for anyone who looks to be under 30 will shut down the Adult Entertainment industry. There will still be plenty of adults who will comply with the ID law, and who will be happy to buy.

If anything, I think this will, in the long run, make SL a far more adult-oriented place. Once those who refuse to validate their age are weeded out, they rest of us can continue to play. And if we bothered to verify our age, we'll be doing R and X rated play, at least some of the time.

I have quite a few alts. I'll have no problem validating all of them, because I didn't lie about my ID info when I created them. They are all "Pament Info on File" or "Paymet Info Used", and all registered to my RL name and address with LL. The only alts that will be unverifyable will be those created with false information, and most of those are griefer accounts that we'll be well rid of. If you have a non-griefer account that you made with false info, it is possible to ask a Linden for help in correcting that info, to make it legitimate.

Is there some risk that Integrity will leak confidential info? Yes. Is that risk greater than the risk of losing your account in SL and all that you own in SL if you decline to verify? In my opinion, the risk posed by validating my age, even with a slimeball of a third party, is far less than the risk that LL will enforce their own rules and either remove accounts or remove content.

I've been assuming that the point of age verification is a) so LL can claim not to be responsible for what we get up to and b) so they have names to hand over to local law enforcement if one thing or another turns out to be illegal (ageplay, anyone?)

I have the same hope for such invisibility feature. Physical limit is required than to just have no entry access for minors if they were merging the teen grids.
But at least objects should be kept visible not to disturb the atmosphere.
I suggest making avatars and their equipments to be invisible on the parcel if they wanted to.

Please look at this issue I posted, and give me a comment. We can make this hope noted by LL.
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2525

i beg to differ. the risk of a leak of confidential info is identity theft.

If they just wanted childplay removed as roleplay they could have removed child avatars (not popular as views go I know). What they really need to do is to avoid any possibility at all that a CHILD is playing as a child.

Which is crazy. A child would be playing as an adult. Has no one ever seen Vice Versa or Big?!

At which point I sue the ass off of both LL and Integrity.

The info that is being required to verify is not my bank account number, nor is it my ATM PIN, or any other data that creates immediate easy identity theft. 99% of what is asked for is stuff a crafty person can ALREADY get off the net, from free or paid-for sources. LL has stated that Integrity will NOT retain the information given in this process. If that is a lie, then it is legally actionable.

Call your lawyer, then. Integrity and LL will erase that information on the day they announce downhill skiing in Hell. I don't believe that "we won't retain it" crap for one second, and neither should anyone else.

This reminds me of something I wondered when the identity verification thing first came up. Could somebody walk onto your land, drop some poseballs, file an AR with themself in the screenshot, and thus get you in trouble? I realize it is unlikely any Lindens will see my question here, I'm just tossing out food for thought.

Sure but not one word of that changes the general reality that our civilization is far more prudish about sexual matters than is the European one, all punditry about myth busting aside, which are simply quibbling with the broader reality.

The thing that worries me about this scenario is that, though there was the rare-ish incidence of falsely reporteed ARs used as "vengence" for being banned from someones land or spurned love or whatever, the Lindens have now handed the petty vigilante with a REAL TOOL for screwing you.

I.e. if you own even a private sim, and you end up booting someone for bad behvior or whatever, but they know you have naughty bits in your mature but unrestricted sim, then have a VALID reason to AR you now!

So unless your private sim is restrited to like your three closest RL friends that you /actually/ completely trust, I don't know if it's such a good idea to leave it unrestricted unless you specifically police it to a PG level. You are leaving yourself open for being booted off SL buy specifically not complying with their "rules" and hoping not to be caught.

Though... as long as one is willing to take their punishment for flaunting the system that's fine. One could come to the conclusion that if LL boots you then "F'em" and not look back, and just carry on as normal, that's fine. But for anyone that still cares at all and /doesn't/ want to be booted... well your really stuck in a tight spot.

It's conform or live in fear of being vulnerable to petty retaliation.

(And well that's really the least amount of damage one could do, if said jilted av actually turned out to be under 18 and you didn't even take the minimum REQUIRED precautions... wow.)

I look at Ceera Murakami's posts and it just boggles the mind. Do you really want to sit on your property by yourself, indignantly telling people that if they can't cough up a D/L number, tough, they can't buy things from you or visit your home?

It might make you feel superior to glare out at people from behind a velvet rope, but I wouldn't feel comfortable telling people that in order to visit my neighborhood they have to trust LL with their personal information. Therefore I either would do away with the adult material, or wouldn't rent in a restricted neighborhood, or buy under a covenant that policed the material on my parcel.

Yet you say adult material will become MORE plentiful? I don't think your logic there is sound. If I didn't see plainly that the average person won't even put payment info on file, you might convince me, but reality seems to defy what you are saying.

The real reality is over the last few months LL has created a huge demand for a competitor that will provide supply to the demand. LL's harping on the success of their enterprise is ample advertising for someone to answer the call.

This can't work. The poseballs would have to stay on the land in order for there to be any real proof of their being there. After all, if someone ARs their existence and they don't exist there when someone else investigates, there is no proof that they were there any longer than necessary to produce the screenshot used in the AR.

However if they are there when someone investigates the fact that they were placed there by the griefer will become apparent within seconds, because their name will be on them.

LOL she has a great point

The main aspect where America is more prudish than Europe is showing women's bare nipples, basically.

Not at all. European TV is very different in this regard as is the advertising - mainstream TV in many European countries has explicit content late at night, just to take one example. Prostitution's toleration is very different, as should be well known. Sex shops zoning and sex clubs toleration is very different, as is tolerance for LGBTs. And on and on. It can't really be compared. I'm sorry, but I spend my professional life dealing with Europe and I deal with all of these issues and the differences are not slight, they are vast.

It's a side issue to this discussion, but I just quite disagree with what you wrote there.

A better analogy would be a city ordinance requiring adult businesses to copy down the ID information from everyone, not just those who look under 30, and storing that information on a computer that is ostensibly secure, but with no easy way for consumers to know exactly how secure that computer is.

Whether or not it will have a significant effect on SL activity, or exactly what percentage of adults will choose to verify, remains to be seen. Any suggestion that it either will or won't be enough to maintain those activities is pure speculation at this time.

the real question is if this will get rid of our adfarms