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Does Identity Verification mean ban for all home sexual interacts??

Brenda Connolly
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09-19-2007 13:27
From: Lexxi Gynoid
Yes, and I am worried that I keep hearing about the FCC wanting to expand to cover cable/satellite, etc.

I think they have enough money to keep the vultures away or else it would have happened already.
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09-19-2007 13:29
From: Brenda Connolly
Wasn't that tried a few years back.? So, in this case an author was ASKED to alter her material, and she refused, her right, the request made by a museum, a private entity most likely. I see nothing wrong with that. Two private entities tried to reach a business deal and were unsuccessful. Capitalism at its finest. And no Penquins were harmed.



Exactly - She should shop around for another publisher is all.
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09-19-2007 13:30
From: Brenda Connolly
Wasn't that tried a few years back.? So, in this case an author was ASKED to alter her material, and she refused, her right, the request made by a museum, a private entity most likely. I see nothing wrong with that. Two private entities tried to reach a business deal and were unsuccessful. Capitalism at its finest. And no Penquins were harmed.

The only thing I can think of here is that secrets act or whatever it is called in the UK that has something to do with impacting a government employees ability to publish certain things. Though there was a somewhat famous case where a spy was able to publish his book through some technicality, and I do not know if that particular law is still on the books. (I think it was "SpyCatcher";).
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09-19-2007 13:40
From: Brenda Connolly
Two private entities tried to reach a business deal and were unsuccessful. Capitalism at its finest. And no Penquins were harmed.


As it is between LL and it's user base.

My take on it is this, and it's purely a personal take, is that if I can continue to enjoy SL for a while without giving away critical information, I will. When this particular attempt proves futile and LL tries something new in a couple of years, I'll re-evaluate. If it's not acceptable, then I'll move on. I'll still have had two years of entertainment and enjoyment.

LL can do whatever they want, and that's fine with me. If they want to invent haphazard meaningless and moronic rules, all the power to them. The free market will give them the appropriate feedback, whatever it may be.

I tend to agree with a previous poster that this won't negatively affect the adult usage of SL. Sure, some people will drop out, but there's a whole lot of fish in the sea. As long as there's people around to entertain me, I'm happy enough. :)

This policy also has the effect of empowering us. By stating the specific conditions under which we can go R rated and more, they are implicitly agreeing to allow us the freedom to do it. I'm not sure that the same could have been said before. You tell me.

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09-19-2007 13:40
From: Colette Meiji


Thus saying Bush is anti gay does not equal America is anti-sex. People just get confused becuase many who are anti-gay are also supportive of more repressed sexual attitudes.



Bush has actually appointed more gays to positions in his administration than any other President.
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Colette Meiji
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09-19-2007 13:44
From: Chris Norse
Bush has actually appointed more gays to positions in his administration than any other President.


Well appointing gays doesnt let someone off the hook for banning gay marriage.

Id like to point out Bush hasnt banned gay marriage - And I sure dont think he will in the next 16 months., If he even had that power to begin with,.
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09-19-2007 13:49
There's a LOT going on in the USofA latley that has us reeling back to the turn of the last century. SL has to comply with certain liability issues...protect itself. That's an understandable given.... But as someone pointed out...even porn sites are happy with a CC#. Business...in any context, exists for two reasons....To stay open...To make money.

I'm guessing if this verification bit is not very carefully handled...they are going to lose on both those fronts. Sadly... it's not up to the rest of the world to moniter what someone elses kids are doing....but that is what we have become....responsible for everyone else...not accountable for our own actions. It backasswards, but it's happening in the tragic extreme to the US. I work on a Fed. facility. Just a few days ago a high ranking official walked in to a club/bar on that facility and flipped out because a bar top video game showed.....*gasp* nude women. This game had been present at the club for years.....now suddenly they will be shut down if the game is not removed.

Sadly...one persons prudish opinion can greatly effect the freedoms of those around them. I'm not talking about minors going where they don't belong....I'm talking about mature adults taking offense to someone elses choices and complaining/whining. Since SL initially opened their cyber doors to adults and minors....they now have a very prickly patch to navigate to make it work out for everyone. Partly because we (not me personally, thank you) in the USA are prudes....partly because when you try to please the masses....you end up catering to the whiners cause they tend to make their complaints known more frequently.

I'm going to abstain from getting political here....LOL but this is not only the trend for SL....but the trend for this country. *sigh* SL should never have been for minors to begin with...... but here we are, dealing with the inevitable. (and I've never been asked to be verified either...tho I hold a premium account)
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09-19-2007 13:51
From: Colette Meiji
I will say that Western European countries are more tolerant of Gays than the United states. So is Canada.


The countries yes, but the people I think it's about equal.

The problem with people in the US is not so much intolerance as complacency. If it doesn't affect them directly then they barely raise an eyebrow, much less take action. On top of that they learn all their info from sound bites and invalid information.

This is why those in the MINORITY anti-gay movement have been so successful and will continue to be. Hopefully the American people will learn that to inhibit anyones rights inhibits everyones. Unfortunately, we have a long way to go.
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09-19-2007 14:04
From: Milla Alexandre
Ah the puritain era


Its actually a big mischaracterization to claim the origins of Amercian sexual attitudes have much to do with the puritains.

In fact the puritains had very little over-all cultural influence on the rise of culture in the US.

The "Stricter" sexual attitudes that some people still exhibit trace more to cultural attitudes Victorian England than that of the pilgrims.


(not saying you are claiming it - but many do)
Mephisto Offcourse
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09-19-2007 14:08
From: Lexxi Gynoid
Wait, you have an atm card? I kept hearing this "no CC" in [insert European country here] and moved on, but you have a debit card/atm? I also do not have a CC, but I was able to use my atm card in place of the CC. Oh and I'm boycotting Paypal, so I would have a real problem if my atm card hadn't been accepted by LL (had my identity stolen immediately after using Paypal; probably unrelated but burned once . . . ).



Then you must have a different ATM card number system. My girlfriend tried it with her ATM card and didn't succeed because LL didn't recognize it as a valid card for payment purposes ....... so it seems, all people outside the USA can either use CC or PayPal nothing else
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09-19-2007 14:10
From: Colette Meiji
In fact the puritains had very little over-all cultural influence on the rise of culture in the US.


Really? I thought the idea of America exceptionalism -- that we're inherently different (read better) than other nations -- could be tied directly to the Puritans?

Not sure I'm remembering correctly, though.
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09-19-2007 14:17
From: Scott Hifeng
Really? I thought the idea of America exceptionalism -- that we're inherently different (read better) than other nations -- could be tied directly to the Puritans?

Not sure I'm remembering correctly, though.


American Exceptionalism is a bunch of nonsense. Its premise is also based on bad History.


Think about it just broadly. How much cultural influence do you think one small colony in New England had while Larger Settlements sprung up all along the coast coming directly from England.

The Puritains even lost control of their OWN colony politically rather quickly in the scheme of things.

And their settlements were not that large.
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09-19-2007 14:18
From: Scott Hifeng
Really? I thought the idea of America exceptionalism -- that we're inherently different (read better) than other nations -- could be tied directly to the Puritans?

Not sure I'm remembering correctly, though.


Not at all. If you look through American history there were many "decadent" eras throughout our history long after the Puritans. Even our founding fathers were a pretty bawdy bunch. Prostitution was legal throughout most of the country and so forth. What made the turn around is hard to say, but I think the Victorian Era is a pretty good place to start.

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09-19-2007 14:20
.........waiting for a game similar to SL to be made in Europe or elsewhere.......until that happens (won't be long!) i guess i'll have to camp a little while longer in SL
Colette Meiji
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09-19-2007 14:24
From: Bradley Bracken
Not at all. If you look through American history there were many "decadent" eras throughout our history long after the Puritans. Even our founding fathers were a pretty bawdy bunch. Prostitution was legal throughout most of the country and so forth. What made the turn around is hard to say, but I think the Victorian Era is a pretty good place to start.

See, Brits! It's all YOUR fault!!! :D



Well it definitely was - Brittain had a HUGE cultural influence at the time.

Their economy was massive and they had colonies all over the world.

To deny the huge impact of Victorian England -

Would be like saying that Hollywood has no cultural influence today.
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09-19-2007 14:24
From: Colette Meiji
Well appointing gays doesnt let someone off the hook for banning gay marriage.

Id like to point out Bush hasnt banned gay marriage - And I sure dont think he will in the next 16 months., If he even had that power to begin with,.

The President doesn't have that authority anyway, at least not yet. Marriage laws are the
perview of the individual States. There is no nationawide law banning gay marriage.
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09-19-2007 14:25
Actually, it's Albert's fault (and he was a German).
Colette Meiji
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09-19-2007 14:27
From: Brenda Connolly
The President doesn't have that authority anyway, at least not yet. Marriage laws are the
perview of the individual States. There is no nationawide law banning gay marriage.



There was talk of a ammendment attempt - was that the Bush camp?

LOL - like anyone would work with Bush on passing an ammendment now.

He is a lamer duck than Clinton was, sadly. Its coast for 16 months basically.
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09-19-2007 14:29
From: Colette Meiji
There was talk of a ammendment attempt - was that the Bush camp?

LOL - like anyone would work with Bush on passing an ammendment now.

He is a lamer duck than Clinton was, sadly. Its coast for 16 months basically.

Exactly it would never fly.
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09-19-2007 14:32
From: Colette Meiji
American Exceptionalism is a bunch of nonsense. Its premise is also based on bad History.


Think about it just broadly. How much cultural influence do you think one small colony in New England had while Larger Settlements sprung up all along the coast coming directly from England.

The Puritains even lost control of their OWN colony politically rather quickly in the scheme of things.

And their settlements were not that large.

Yes, and one of those "larger settlements" that "sprung up" started before the Puritains landed on that rock. Like, say, Virginia.
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09-19-2007 14:38
From: Colette Meiji
Well appointing gays doesnt let someone off the hook for banning gay marriage.

Id like to point out Bush hasnt banned gay marriage - And I sure dont think he will in the next 16 months., If he even had that power to begin with,.


He doesn't. It would have to come from Congress. He could veto a bill that would allow gay marriage or sign one prohibiting it. I doubt he will have to worry about it during the remainder of his term.
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09-19-2007 15:51
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Ahh of course your porn channels would have aired the superbowl then?


I wouldn't be surprised if European TV had a commercial with nudity during an event the size of the Superbowl at all.

Germany has public nudist parks, you know.

Different mindset. Not better, not worse. Just different.
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09-19-2007 16:29
From the TOS: 3.3 Linden Lab retains ownership of the account and related data, regardless of intellectual property rights you may have in content you create or otherwise own

If they state that they own my avatar and everything it posses (related Data) how can I be held liable for a sexbed I don't own in a house that LL owns on land that LL owns???
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09-19-2007 16:40
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... If it ever gets to the point where I feel I cant dress provocatively, be myself openly, or be privately intimate without worrying about who may be breaking my personal space and filling out an AR, then I'll probably have 2 pieces of verrry choice mainland up for sale. By passing LL's own "open registration cleanup duties" onto the residents and giving them crap tools to do it with, they've pretty much sealed their own fate. Absolutely nobody likes the feeling of having to look over their shoulder for anything, and unlike this lame age verification excuse, USING SL is truly "Voluntary".
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09-19-2007 16:47
From: Mephisto Offcourse
From the TOS: 3.3 Linden Lab retains ownership of the account and related data, regardless of intellectual property rights you may have in content you create or otherwise own

If they state that they own my avatar and everything it posses (related Data) how can I be held liable for a sexbed I don't own in a house that LL owns on land that LL owns???

Silly Mephisto. Only when it suits them!
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