Direction, percieved unfairness, and the mainstream

Oops forgot about that, of course it was.

Because moving on would be assuming that someone HAS gone around with brown envelopes. Why should I "move on" from something I haven't even gotten to try, that I've been trying to earn for years?

Treasure Coast... Treasure Planet... Geesh! some people...

How are we doing with responding to a post without a Counter? How is that coming along?

Heehee you're right, all that honor bestowed. Truth is, Treasure has been my internet handle since I first was born in cyberspace in 1996. I've had one email address since then, still same one, that included that handle. I had a niece born in 1996 named Treasure. I liked it so I took it and have been Treasure ever since. Now, I am alternately called Treasure or Treas or my rl first name, pretty much equally. And I answer to all of them. (I have some big hoop Alyssa Bijou earrings, custom, with 'Treas' written across them. Damn things cost a fortune in Lindens but I get more compliments on them.)

Because you've been trying for years.

No, seriously, you're beating your head against a brick wall.

Why haven't you moved on?

* Maybe you can't.

* Maybe you can, but you're looking, and haven't found it yet.

* Maybe you can, but you're not looking.

Which is it?

Pet peeve alert.





It doesn't matter to artists so much as to art critics. I'm both an artist and writer... and my own opinion is that artists and writers both often -do not- understand the construction of their work, the meaning, the mechanics of the tools, and so on...

Unless you were 'taught' how to be an artist in a school by an art critic, you're probably not going to speak like a critic. Likewise a writer. I don't write a story to explore the deeper meaning of X v. Y in the dynamic of Z... But if that story gets brought out by an English teacher somewhere, all of his/her students that actually say "I think the writer was just putting a cool idea down on paper," or "the meaning of this story is 25 cents / word," are going to get Fs, even when they're right...

My best ever reviewed piece of fiction was a dream the night before that I spilled onto the screen with no idea what I was up to, and published the next day. None of its readers believe me on that... All of them claim I meant this or that. All I really meant was "that was neat, hurry up and write it down before I forgot it."

If people start getting on your case about your art for you not being able to explain it, tell em you didn't get a degree in marketing or art appreciation, you just make the stuff.

Graphic designers need to be able to explain their work - they're producing on hire to tell someone else's message. But artists are just expressing from within, and they don't even need to have a meaning (though sometimes they get carried away and make a lack of meaning the meaning - as in dadaism : and the only reason I know that is that while an artist, I took a few graphic design classes that tried to tell me what I was doing ).

Example of Non-Counter Response to Argent:

That's a good question, Argent.

I think all three reasons apply in some fashion.

I'm going to consider those, and jot some thoughts down....for myself....but those are good starting points.

I'll work on those today. Thank You.

Example of Non-Counter response to the group:

You know....you all have given me a considerable amount of help here! Thank you so much!

There is so much to go over and absorb....I'm going to start at the beginning....and take each suggestion...and try to make a little bit of effort each day.

I'm sure I'll be able to apply each and every one of your suggestions in some way.

Thank you so much....and I'm looking forward to this adventure! You all have a Great Day!

Mickey,

The point is that noone has countered me.

If I post that noone will accept me no matter what I do, and noone counters, what do I learn?

Of course, people might not counter me because they don't want an argument. But if I show how sad I am about having that belief, they'd know it wouldn't be an argument but a ray of hope.. Right?

Ahhh....a Counter to the Non-Counter Suggestion. Shall we try again?

Never thought it was incorrect. I meant what you're doing NOW...sulking because everyone isn't giving you whatever it is you want. Except we ARE, since the only specific thing it's clear you want is attention.

We have countered and countered and countered until we are blue in the face. Several people have told you that you have good ideas. We have seen that you can do things. Several have offered help and offered to meet with you in world.

Yumi, I believe if you learn to ask for what you really want clearly you can be a success on whatever you want to do. You don't even need sandbox luck. Your smart, bright, and STUBBORN as hell.

Now is there any other help I can give from the forum?

I don't know. Why don't you ask a question that resembles what's actually happened?

You post that no-one will ever accept you no matter what you do, and people have:

* Told you that you CAN get accepted.

* Pointed out ways you HAVE been accepted.

* Suggested ways you can get more acceptance.

* Talked about how they responded when they ran into problems.

Just about everyone in this thread has given you good, solid, workable advice. How can you possibly say "no-one" has responded?

Example of Non-Counter to Victoria:

You're right, Victoria. I need to stop sulking and take action....and I can't do that if I keep coming back to this thread and attack every single post with a counter.

You've made me realize that I am only coming up with the counters....in order to feed from the attention....but I am not taking any action.

I see now that the attention is not what I need....that I need to take action. I'm wasting valuable time by continuing the countering....when I should be taking action!

Thank you again, for this valuable insight.

You say something negative about yourself in the hopes that people will argue against it and then wonder what the lesson is when no one responds? Perhaps one lesson is people dislike being manipulated. Another lesson might be that saying anything positive to you on this forum is frustrating because you will reply only with more negativity.

I sent you an IM inworld. Despite all this, there are people here who are trying.

I have heard many counters to your statements that you are bad worthless no good whatever....

here is what i wish...

i wish i had at least as many people rooting for me as you do, that i had at least this many pages of people encouraging me and trying to help me, that i had people who consistently look past my failings or negativity and want to help me anyway, that i had even one offer of help from the forums, that i had this many people offering friendship and help to me as they are to you, that i had people offering to build with me, teach me things etc.

so my take on this??? you have something i dont have, you have an unfair advantage, you have tons of people who want to help you and like you, you have offers in world and on the forums of good advice and info....and i have NONE of that....

seems like you have hit the jackpot here....ill call it unfair to me tho just to make the point.

Missed the original thread, so my posts so far have been assorted angles on trying to figure out what exactly we're talking about here.

Here comes another one.


Finding your thing is key.

First time I came to SL, back in 06 - there didn't seem to be anything for me, I had no idea what I was up, and I left.

Second time, I pushed in a tad deeper, explored for freebie to build a nice av, and lucked upon a set of free cat ears and tail - the beginnings of the whole Neko subculture.

Put em on and started walking around, and the place started feeling a lot more comfortable. I also found I had an angle through which to connect to people, one in which I liked the connections I was getting. Last night I even won (well, I tied) in a beauty contest with my avatar - which has been getting a steadily growing stream of compliments as I fine tune things and try out different outfit combinations.

That's what you've got to do. Find a niche, find a few, and when one clicks, start exploring it.

I don't fit into some elements of the SL-Neko community: I'm not all that grunge, and I'm a little more... well... further from PG than they are O.o
- but I've just enough angle (or is it curve?) to find myself a place at the kitty bowl, and the angle I'm on works for me pretty good in some other communities as well.

Also, I stay flexible enough with it to adopt myself to the communities I sample - just in case I stumble upon something different that I end up liking more. I think that flexibility with my expectations is what is helping me enjoy SL a lot more this time around.


Again, I missed the original thread, and the way this starts is very confusing. It looks like someone just upset that they're not making the kinds of social connections they feel they should be getting.

To that end...

A couple basic rules to expanding horizons in SL (that work for me):
1. Say yes to whatever unless it freaks me out or I'm busy.
2. Learn what freaks me out very quickly.
3. Say no as friendly as possible when its time to say no.
4. Jump in if there's an open stage / soapbox and just -do something-.
5. Emote /me meows! in chat if I can't figure out what to say but want to connect.
6. If something's going on in chat that involves more than just two people, pop a light natured meow or thought emote in there as bait.
7. If somebody IMs, respond. Even if its hours later when I see it, toss, at the least, an 'oops I was away.' (sometimes I forget this one, but I'm pushing myself to do it more.)
8. Keep a profile that says I want to get to know people, but not take things seriously.
9. Not feeling the vibe? Kitty getting bossed around? TP out.

- All of this has led me to find new communities and groups in places I didn't think would be my thing beforehand.

Jojo....that is just Not Fair.

I'm sitting here sulking about the exact same thing. But you're nice about it and I'm not. You have a very clear advantage over me....and you have all those sims that were handed to you on a silver platter....and your Photoshop skills appeared magically in the middle of the night. Not Fair!

Amaranthim better not bring her whiney ass in here and start that same &^%#! She knows how to make water effects.....and no one will teach those to me! And someone taught her how to put Fancy Stuff on her Blog! Not Fair!

You know what they say...

When you got a niche, you gotta scratch.

Oh my god, you have a point...

Quoted for posterity -

Did it really make a dent Yumi?

And Mickey - waaaaaaa!

high fiving yumi! good work grasshopper....now if you dont take someone up on all of this AWESOME support....i will pout...

OMG i just had an awesome idea! we need have a meet yumi get together! yumi tell us a good time to hook up with you in the next 3 days and we can meet on etopia at the main entrance and just say hi and check in...give hugs...you know...all that silly stuff....

i love how the whole day passed, and Yumi never once addressed my posts.

very telling.