Ban Ban Lines - the ultimate legalised griefing weapon

Chris, be careful. You almost lisped, when you said traipsing.

Doesn't matter if you have on muddy boots or silk slippers. If they don't want you there, you have no right to be there.

some people seem to forget we're talking virtual world here.........

I think you can AR that...they're supposed to give reasonable notice before they eject you.

I'm not trying to aid or hinder any particular side of this argument, but I'd like to point out that, on the mainland, ban lines and security orbs don't afford the land owner privacy. They can keep avatars out, but not their cameras. On the mainland, at the minimum draw distance of 64m you'd have to have a plot of land greater than 128x128 (a quarter sim) just start keeping people far enough away for them to see.

--Hugsy

Paid for with real money...

And what does that mean exactly?

Yeah, that's what bugs me about the privacy debate in SL. Privacy is not an absolute, either-100%-prefect-or-nothing thing in SL (or RL). There are degrees of privacy, and more privacy is better, even though "perfect" privacy is unattainable. But everybody stumbles over disabled camera controls, and discussion gets short-circuited.

Just as in RL, where you can reasonably figure that your neighbor is kept from spying on you even if the FBI can be bugging your phone and Internet connection and aiming shotgun mikes at your house to pick up every single sound. 99% of the time, the FBI can't be bothered and you're ok. Should be similar in SL, can be, and it's not yet.

There are privacy-related JIRA proposals that will help. Vote for them.

In that case the ban lines should be made more prominent or people be given a warning if theyre apporaching a ban line.

And then as someone said who want the words in red flashing anywhere near em. I suppose if the people who put up these ban lines had to see 'em as they would if they were in real and they used a barbed wire fence theyd think twice.n

A virtual world that people have to pay a lot of money for.

If they want to put up ban lines, I agree thay are a pain, but that is their choice.

Have you considered setting up a "Ramblers Association" in SL to try and lobby your complaint?

My security orb gives at least the illusion of privacy when I'm online and keeps people from playing with my stuff when I'm not around...that's all I really want. My land is actually open access, the orb just 'protects' the skybox.

So if people can probe with cams anyway it rather negates the ban lines being their as a method of maintaining privacy doesnt it

BAN LINES do not (I repeat) do NOT crash you or TP you away. Ban lines are the red bars that prevent entry ONLY. And only to 50m above the land mesh (Unless you have been placed ont he ban list of the property, in which case those lines go to infinity, as they should).

What the OP is upset about is overactive security devices which may, or may not, be an Abuse Reportable offense. Like LSL ARs, this is a case-by-case issue. Most people using security systems use them responsibly, giving people enough time to move on. Usually warning them far outside the activation range. Others use them irresponibly and TP instantly, without warning. Those are ARable. Due to the low priority of the issue, however, do not hold your breath for a resolution.

Let's not confuse the two aspects. Security Systems and Ban Lines are two seperate things.

~Jessy

Moving from A to B ... has that suddenly become a crime ?

Maybe I should stop at home with my virtual slippers on drinking virtual tea in front of a virtual telly with a virtual electric fence around me

You should check your devices / vehicles then, rather seems like something is wrong with them. I have never once crashed when just running into ban lines...

YOURE WRONG ive hit ban lines at altitudes far higher than 50 metres even taking account of elevation and I know because Ive flown a lot higher than that mainly because I like trying to fly my various aircraft/spacecraft across sl.

well once again youre lucky arent you

Moving from A to B, what flying or using some other means of transport.

Or was you trying to be virtually funny with your answer

No, I'm saying your 'locks' really don't give you any kind of privacy at all if someone wants to get into your tower. I'm less concerned by weirdos ogling my naked bald av from across the sim than I am by people messing with my stuff, so a security orb works perfectly. As I said, I don't have ban lines up.

Unfortunately, tinted windows, brick walls, and locked doors are about as much of an obstacle to a griefer as wet toilet paper. If you think such things will prevent intrusion, you are sadly mistaken. There is only one true privacy in SL, and that is an off-the-map private sim, accessible only to invited guests. All else is merely a polite request to look the othr way.

If the Lindens forced everyone to tell them their real identifying information to get an account, and if in banning one person I could also ban all their present and future alts (and mind you, I would not need to know who those alts were), then banning a griefer explicitly by name and leaving your property open to all others might, in many cases, be sufficient. But when a griefer attacks, and within minutes after banning him, he is back in a shiny new unverified alt, laughing at you? Sorry, the only defense is to ban ALL unknown/uninvited individuals.

But some people also do want privacy while they are being intimate with their SL loved ones, and don't want you wandering into their virtual bedroom and standing beide the bed, asking if you can join in. Remember, locked doors and tinted windowws don't stop that. Banlines do.

And some people are conducting business meetings, and discussing confidential information, and don't want you watching their presentation about their un-released hot new product, and stealing their idea before they can get it to market themselves.

There are many reasons that individuals want privacy in SL. Not all of them have to do with sex.

You think there is no reason for ban-lines? Take the doors off the hinges in your home, and go away for a weekend, leaving all the doorways wide open for any fool off the street to walk in. After you return to an empty, ransacked house, you see if you can still tell me that no one needs locked doors.

I'm going to buzz in with: "TROLL!"

The OP is not interested in an answer. He/she wants to rant and get a rise out of us. All of his/her arguments have been answered in spades, some great feature changes suggested and still this thread drags on and on.

Where or where is our Strife?
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what sort of 'messing' would you expect ?

I beg your pardon. Im tired of crashing into ban lines and wanted to put my view across here.

I think the troll is the one who tries to claim that a postee is not legitimately concerned about something happening in sl.

Thanks

Ahem, the Knowledge Base says:



So you've either been explicitly banned or you're hitting a security orb.

Then I'm RIGHTand they have BANNED you from their land, which is their right. Apparently you irritated them enough for them to add you to the ban list.

Given your tone here, I can see why they may.

~Jessy