Ban Ban Lines - the ultimate legalised griefing weapon

If you were in such a group, Sling, then you would respect and care for the desire and deeply felt need of many other people to be let alone. Obviously, you do not.

As if I would have an uncute kitten. Hmph.

Unless you're on a private island, you can cam in anyway. Perhaps you should be campaigning for the removal of "Remove camera constraints" in Debug instead?

By the way, there's loads of people regularly asking for "autoreturn" to be on by default on all the abandoned Linden land... so clearly lots of people do want it on by default.

I find it amusing how people keep going on about the "rights of those who pay" ... yet don't seem to be at all bothered about the influx of freebie accounts who really do pay nothing.

Broccoli

The justification for keeping them isn't particularly convincing either.

Broccoli

Responded to those other posts before I got to the post starting the kittens portion of this thread. But that's all right, I was just quoting my kitten; even HE knows better, and is busy kicking kitty litter on Certain Posters...He knows trollers when he sees them. And what to do with them.

My kitten would like a piece of puppy pie now, please.

Funny. In the reality I come from, most people actually are very concerned about exactly this issue. In my reality, that would be a terrible, terrible straw-man argument.

That's all right. My kitten likes to kick kitty litter on straw men too.

No it's not. *Fires up wok and adds a little oil and butter...*

I see (ish)

In the first sentence, you disagree with me.

In the second sentence, you agree with me.
You mean that it's about others (property owners) not caring about the concerns of others (property owners) whom own property (being the property on the 'wrong' side of the ban lines)?
Yes. That's exactly it! I'm so glad that we agree



All this absolutism on the "rights" of property owners!!

An ad farmer has the "right" to cut up land and make total crap of a sim.
A land bot runner has the "right" to swoop on a sim set for sale for 1L$ and keep the sim
A land owner has the "right" to use the awful ban line system and shine red lines 7 metres through the neighbours walls, despite other means being available to keep out the unwelcome.

It is *all* about caring for others.
"Rights" exercised with out caring for the effects on others are an abuse.





Anyone who adds to the posts in this marathon topic is being just a tad 'cute' if they make their point and then imply that nobody should post in response.

Why can't ban lines be invisible? I mean if you bang into them anyway,what's the difference if you can see them or not?Or maybe just a red highlight on the map.(Like another poster suggested..)But invisible otherwise.

Results so far of taking down my access restriction for a few hours: 4 unvited guests.

One was flying around, two tp'ed over apparantly by clicking on the map since they ended up at the landing point and one was there already when I tp'ed back home after a 15 minute shopping trip, wandering inside of the house.

Two didn't bother to respond when I asked what they were doing with one just walking straight past me and into the house and the other one just flying around until I tp'ed him home. The third one started a conversation that eventually turned to the topic of how stupid it was to pay that much to have a house on SL and when - politely - asked to leave started an argument about how I'm not doing anything anyway so why should he go away and the last one didn't speak English.

Just reminds me why I put them up in the first place since people obviously just *have to* impose themselves onto others (and if I want to meet people I'll go to a hangout and if I want to be assaulted by newbies I'll tp to an OI or a HI thank you very much).

Was this with or without the use of a security orb?

If 'without', then the test doesn't mean much, although it is anecdotally interesting.

Ban lines are annoying, I agree. However I suppose if people want to keep the 'great unwashed' off their land, they are entitled to do so. Anyway, if ban lines weren't available, people could still put up high walls, transparent or visible, round their property.

There are legitimate reasons for ban lines - supposing a group is using their land for a photoshoot for a cartoon strip and the actors keep getting bothered by newbies wanting to know where the big city is!

Because of my own beliefs about the nature of my exisitence in SL, I don't fly about very much, and when I do I put on my jetpack, crash helmet and saftey suit. The exception is if I just need to get out of a ravine I've fallen into or suchlike. For this reason I'm considering making my land 'no-fly' but haven't done so yet.

"Care" given under the threat of force isn't care, it is theft.

Are you going to start giving out security orbs to all land owners? Or do you just wish to force them to buy them to please you?

ban lines suck! They just do...

Gosh darn it to hell and back.
I could have sworn that I edited out the bit in my post where I threatened to shoot people who didn't care for others.
Damm this interweb posting thing!!!!

I think I've stumbled upon the real reason why banlines are neccesary.....



Whew. Now that that's over, can we have pie now?

Sorry...but Sniper Cat will pwn you and fuxxor your banlinez, dood.

I really keep posting here so I can admire the creative uses of kittens


Do kittens go paw-stal?

Yes, I know they go miaow.

Some people's posts, in no matter which guise, simply irritate. I doubt anyone will be offended by that outpouring in a thread which is pointlessly contentious and frankly pointless as this.

I'm waiting for the Forum to be cancelled and quite frankly as things are right now, I'd welcome that. Shame ... it has the potential to be such a valuable resource.