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Ban Ban Lines - the ultimate legalised griefing weapon

Ann Launay
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10-30-2007 11:15
From: Oryx Tempel
The really important issue, here, Brenda, is what to name this new continent! Someone suggested "Steve"...


I like 'George,' personally.
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Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
Ilmira Yesheyev
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10-30-2007 11:15
From: Broccoli Curry
Completely different thing.

Autoreturn is designed to return stray prims - which may be innocently left there due to a building glitch, an abandoned vehicle from a noob, or griefer objects.

If you're too lazy to check your group tab before you start building - that's your own silly fault. You should not have the right to grief other players by disrupting a perfectly legitimate activity such as flying which generally does not in any way affect your gameplay.

Part of the fun for a large proportion of the people in SL is exploring, seeing other people's builds. What's Philip Linden's dream? Building a new country, a new continent? I don't recall seeing anywhere that it consisted of antisocial little balls of paranoia locked away in their own little corner of cyberspace utterly terrified that someone might walk past their door 100m away.

I simply cannot for the life of me figure out why so many people are territorial in SL where they cannot be harmed, property be damaged, or have anything stolen from them.

If you're worried about being caught, or being seen, doing something in Second Life ... then there's a fairly high probability you shouldn't be doing it.

Broccoli

I don't see anywhere that says we can't lock ourselves away in a little corner of cyberspace that we PAY for the right to use, and have to be forced to allow you to access it. You want to access someones land, pay their tier.
Colette Meiji
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10-30-2007 11:16
Well the funny thing is this is all useless.

Since by ban lines are about to become 100X worse of a problem then they are now.

Once the Age/IDV gets put in place all sorts of people are going to be banned from all sorts of parcels.

And it will be because the people who own those parcels are following LL's rules.
Oryx Tempel
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10-30-2007 11:17
From: Ann Launay
I like 'George,' personally.

:eek: Like after George III, the guy we kicked out? For shame, Ann, kicking a man when he's down. That's just mean and unhelpful.
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Ann Launay
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10-30-2007 11:18
From: Oryx Tempel
:eek: Like after George III, the guy we kicked out? For shame, Ann, kicking a man when he's down. That's just mean and unhelpful.


No, no, like, "I'm going to hug him and squeeze him and call him George." Or maybe after George Clooney...George Eads? Iunno, I just like the name.

Pie? Puppy?
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I am bumping you to an 8.5 on the Official Trout Measuring Instrument of Sluttiness. You are an enigma - on the one hand a sweet, gentle, intelligent woman who we would like to wrap up in our arms and protect, and on the other, a temptress to whom we would like to do all sorts of unmentionable things.

Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
Okiphia Rayna
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10-30-2007 11:20
From: Ann Launay

Pie? Puppy?


Are they combined in a puppy pie? Cause.. I think I'd have to be morally against that.
*nods*
Oryx Tempel
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10-30-2007 11:22
From: Ann Launay
No, no, like, "I'm going to hug him and squeeze him and call him George." Or maybe after George Clooney...George Eads? Iunno, I just like the name.

Pie? Puppy?

Awesome, I vote we rename North America to "George Clooney." We'd be way sexier than all the other continents. Although if we want to keep the slutty American reputation, maybe we should rename it "Britney."
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Colette Meiji
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10-30-2007 11:24
Now that im thinking of it.

Will we have to age/iDV to use the forums like we had to be "Payment info on file"?

If so, it may not matter so much since the people complaining about all the adult content banlines wont be here ...
Okiphia Rayna
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10-30-2007 11:24
From: Oryx Tempel
Awesome, I vote we rename North America to "George Clooney." We'd be way sexier than all the other continents. Although if we want to keep the slutty American reputation, maybe we should rename it "Britney."


Or maybe George Clooney with the 'outlying islands' named Britney?
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Broccoli Curry
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10-30-2007 11:25
From: Har Fairweather
There's the answer! Broccoli's just sore about that and wants to take it all back...starting with SL!

No pie for you, Broccoli! Just salty tea.


I don't drink tea actually. Sorry.

Broccoli
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Oryx Tempel
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10-30-2007 11:25
From: Okiphia Rayna
Or maybe George Clooney with the 'outlying islands' named Britney?

LOL - perfect! Hawaii is now Britney. All they do over there is lay around getting too tan and drinking stuff out of coconuts with little umbrellas in them anyway.
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Okiphia Rayna
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10-30-2007 11:26
From: Oryx Tempel
LOL - perfect! Hawaii is now Britney. All they do over there is lay around getting too tan and drinking stuff out of coconuts with little umbrellas in them anyway.


I think a whole state may now dislike you lol...
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Oryx Tempel
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10-30-2007 11:31
From: Okiphia Rayna
I think a whole state may now dislike you lol...

They're welcome to put up banlines. But my airplane might get stuck, and I'd hate for all the other passengers to get pissed off at me and strangle me with those oxygen mask hoses.
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Okiphia Rayna
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10-30-2007 11:32
From: Oryx Tempel
They're welcome to put up banlines. But my airplane might get stuck, and I'd hate for all the other passengers to get pissed off at me and strangle me with those oxygen mask hoses.

lol... nice image there ^^
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Kitty Barnett
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10-30-2007 11:38
From: Broccoli Curry
If you're too lazy to check your group tab before you start building - that's your own silly fault. You should not have the right to grief other players by disrupting a perfectly legitimate activity such as flying which generally does not in any way affect your gameplay.
Whenever I build something new on my land I deliberately take my group tag off since no build only affect other people, it doesn't affect my ability to build on my own land, regardless of active group.

When I'm done I link everything up and set it to the proper group and check About Land. If I notice that there are still prims not set to the group I highlight them because maybe I forgot to link one (easy to do), or maybe I sent one flying off somewhere or hid it in a wall (Return all non-group prims works nicely for those).

It's a completely valid reason for not using auto-return.

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Part of the fun for a large proportion of the people in SL is exploring, seeing other people's builds. What's Philip Linden's dream? Building a new country, a new continent? I don't recall seeing anywhere that it consisted of antisocial little balls of paranoia locked away in their own little corner of cyberspace utterly terrified that someone might walk past their door 100m away.
Part of the reality of SL is to pay for what you want and use.

If someone wants a place to build, they can use a sandbox for free (with all kinds of restrictions), or they can buy their own parcel and pay tier on it and be free of restrictions.

If someone wants to "explore", they can use one of the countless Linden owned sims, roads, waterways, etc (and be subject to restrictions land owners place on their land), or they can buy their own private continent and be free of restrictions.

Either buy all the land you need to "explore" as much as you without running into a restriction, or accept that your views don't coincide with everyone else's and learn to embrace all views, or buy a flight simulator :rolleyes:.

As for what Philip wants, LL is only concerned with making the history books as being the company to standardize a platform and communication for and between virtual worlds. They're long past caring about SL as an entertainment product, or our - to them - petty problems.
Sling Trebuchet
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10-30-2007 11:39
From: Mickey McLuhan
Actually, Sling, YOU have mentioned it, over and over again... ad nauseum.


That's just for the slow / a-la-carte readers.
Although I'd dispute "over and over again... ad nauseum", it appears that the point bore repeating, because despite whatever level of repetition, 'someone' with a name very similar to yours asserted that "no-one's really provided justification for the removal of banlines, other than "I want to be able to fly under 50m" or "I should be allowed to do whatever I want, even to the detriment of others"."

;)


"I should be allowed to do whatever I want, even to the detriment of others" is presumably the argument put forward by:
1) people who have ban-lines shining 7 metres through alpha textures into their neighbours parcels
2) ad farmers
3) land bot runners
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Oryx Tempel
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10-30-2007 11:41
From: Okiphia Rayna
lol... nice image there ^^

Just for the record, I've got nothing against Hawaiians... er.. Britneyans... I just get really bad hangovers from drinks with umbrellas in them, and since I think that's all they serve over there, I'll probably never go there.
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10-30-2007 11:50
From: Broccoli Curry
Completely different thing.

Autoreturn is designed to return stray prims - which may be innocently left there due to a building glitch, an abandoned vehicle from a noob, or griefer objects.

If you're too lazy to check your group tab before you start building - that's your own silly fault. You should not have the right to grief other players by disrupting a perfectly legitimate activity such as flying which generally does not in any way affect your gameplay.

Part of the fun for a large proportion of the people in SL is exploring, seeing other people's builds. What's Philip Linden's dream? Building a new country, a new continent? I don't recall seeing anywhere that it consisted of antisocial little balls of paranoia locked away in their own little corner of cyberspace utterly terrified that someone might walk past their door 100m away.

I simply cannot for the life of me figure out why so many people are territorial in SL where they cannot be harmed, property be damaged, or have anything stolen from them.

If you're worried about being caught, or being seen, doing something in Second Life ... then there's a fairly high probability you shouldn't be doing it.

Broccoli


So they can avoid Miserable, self righteous , busybodies, who are so fucking worried that someone else is enjoying themselves too much. Who the hell are you to presume what SL is SUPPOSED to be, and to dictate how people use the program, especially those that are paying to do so? You are entitled live SL as you wish, certainly. Even if it is to do nothing but be worried about what everyone else is worried about being perceived to be doing.
Mind your fucking business.

Apologies to all who see it in advance. I'd AR myself if I could. feel Free to do so.
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Chris Norse
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10-30-2007 11:50
From: Sling Trebuchet



"I should be allowed to do whatever I want, even to the detriment of others" is presumably the argument put forward by:
1) people who have ban-lines shining 7 metres through alpha textures into their neighbours parcels
2) ad farmers
3) land bot runners


If you can prove some actual harm, no matters of taste and "land value" do not count. Then sure pull them down. Also, people whining because they want to enter my land but can't are not harmed either.

So put me in group 4) Those who believe that property rights are the basis of all human rights and just as important.
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Sally Silvera
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10-30-2007 11:52
From: Trout Recreant
Everything that needs to be said here has really already been said. We're just rehashing the same arguments over and over, and it's gotten a little obnoxious. What are the chances everybody acknowleges that they have made their point, that others disagree with them, and in the interests of being decent to each other, even in disagreement, we all just let this one rest in peace?
Please?


yeah, what Trout said.
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10-30-2007 12:07
From: Brenda Connolly
So they can avoid Miserable, self righteous , busybodies, who are so fucking worried that someone else is enjoying themselves too much. Who the hell are you to presume what SL is SUPPOSED to be, and to dictate how people use the program, especially those that are paying to do so? You are entitled live SL as you wish, certainly. Even if it is to do nothing but be worried about what everyone else is worried about being perceived to be doing.
Mind your fucking business.

Apologies to all who see it in advance. I'd AR myself if I could. feel Free to do so.


You aren't worth the effort it takes to fill in an AR. Can't speak for anyone else though.

The one thing that really made me laugh in your post was "Even if it is to do nothing but be worried about what everyone else is worried about being perceived to be doing."

You're talking there about people who put up ban lines in case what everyone else is doing might possibly harm or impact upon their Second Life, even if they happen to be 200m above the house in a plane and can't even see it because of the draw distance.

Broccoli
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10-30-2007 12:10
From: Chris Norse
If you can prove some actual harm, no matters of taste and "land value" do not count. Then sure pull them down. Also, people whining because they want to enter my land but can't are not harmed either.

So put me in group 4) Those who believe that property rights are the basis of all human rights and just as important.


I'd be in a completely different group who believe that mutual respect and care for others is the basis of all human rights.
I'd be in a group that asserts that rights come with responsibilities to others.

If you want to be in a group the puts property rights before a concern for others then that's what you want.
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10-30-2007 12:12
From: Brenda Connolly


Apologies to all who see it in advance. I'd AR myself if I could. feel Free to do so.


Can't see why anyone would AR you for speaking the truth.
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10-30-2007 12:19
From: Broccoli Curry
You aren't worth the effort it takes to fill in an AR. Can't speak for anyone else though.

He he, Touche.

From: Chris Norse
Can't see why anyone would AR you for speaking the truth.


Yeah, but it's how I said it. I stooped.
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10-30-2007 12:22
From: Chris Norse
Those who believe that property rights are the basis of all human rights and just as important.


With respect, Chris, maybe this should be a little more important?

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