Gorean is it all negative?

Most free women I've seen were little more than face stripped sluts.

I wouldn't stand for it if I were Ubara. No fewer than seven veils, and cover that décolletage.

Alright let's stop it with the "domestic violence" angle please.

Consensual BDSM is exactly that, and the last case that I know of in this country was thrown out of court with the judge saying that he never wanted to see another case like it brought again. Husband and wife, IIRC, she saying it was consensual and refusing to press charges and scores of witnesses to say they had a loving relationship. They just happened to like kidnap roleplay.

Someone I know RL turned round at a policeman stopping her being bundled into a van (very bad luck that they were seen as they chose somewhere very secluded and out of the way ...) saying "Why the hell do you think I am in the woods weaing THIS outfit if it's not something i wanted to do? Thanks a lot you idiot, you've just ruined two weeks of setting up!".

My point here is not to judge. Some things look simply awful from the outside. The outside is often not where the truth lies.

So these "real slavery" and "real abuse" things have no place in this argument. To bring them up is to not understand your subject matter. Sorry, but that's how I see it.

(For the benefit of anyone coming in late, I am making no apology for Gor here. I am not into Gor).

Indeed, which is why I have no problem with people having Gor stuff as a sexual kink, I just get offended by the philosophy that goes with it and think using the terminology of "slavery" is a bit tasteless.

Got bad news for you. Some people literally go all gooey at the word slave. And that's women AND men.

Not me personally. Reaction to that ranges from not even listening, not taking offence cos it was not aimed personally, amusement (looks at Marty sternly) though to warhead detonation for the truly stupid.

This slave v sub argument has dribbled on in BDSM circles long before Phil read Snow Crash and sadly it always will until that meteor smacks into the planet and sends the debris into a black sun

*bump*

So, June, you're interested in other female roles, possibly warrior. Hmm ...

In several Gor sims there is the role of "Panther", which are generally all-women tribes of scantily-clad hunters. They usually have much combat with the warriors of the sim's city, play of all sorts, lalala, what can one say, Panthers have all the fun.

In one of the Plains Gor sims there is, or was, a group of female "Guards" with some higher standing in the sim than panthers have. I've spoken to a couple of members, but regrettably don't remember the sim's name. Perhaps someone else here knows?

There are various roles among the free women, e.g. scribe, physician, builder, teacher, events coordinator, etc.. One woman runs a slave school. Lots of stuff to do, some of which is just general sim estate management in a Gorean context.

I also saw a few women in peripheral roles ... raiders, slavers, merchants. I don't know how well these are tolerated.

I found the admins, Ubars etc. of Gorean sims very open to inquiry, and if you get in on a Gorean sim when it is first being set up you may find some excellent roles open, even ones leading to leadership if that's of interest.

Smiles at Bilbo. Thank you cupcake.

*wide eyes* You mean a transparent half-veil that conceals nothing and a vaguely Victorian style aren't enough to make something a proper freewoman's dress!?!

Actually, the difficulty of getting proper prim veils to fit is half the reason I gave up on the Gor sims before even getting started properly, so I try not to think too harshly about the makers and wearers of those supposed "freewoman" veils. But I usually fail. I still love the dresses though, even if I won't wear them on Gor. At least not until I discover that sculpties have solved the veil problem.


June, that's like asking people to talk about forests without talking about trees. Yes, there are lots of other things involved in a healthy forest ecosystem, but the trees are an essential and obvious part, as well as the only one most people will think about. If you don't like trees, you're not going to want to go for a walk in the forest. And if you think Master/slave relationships are a negative, then you're not going to like Gor. It's that simple.

Edited to add: And no, it doesn't matter if you're playing a freewoman or some other role. Slavery is still an integral part of the society itself.

If you go the Panther route be prepared for lots of combat, and the eventuality of getting captured and working out an escape. I suppose being captured means having your whip marks underwear layer ready to wear at the right moment of RP...

In the Gor books, it would seem than any woman, no matter what her station in life, could be hauled off and enslaved at any time. And really, that's all she wants, even if she hasn't quite worked it out for herself yet.

Just saying. If you are a woman in a Gor sim, you have to be mindful of slavery, whether you are interested or not.

I don't think she did. It's a suggestion (for which read game attempt to keep the topic on track to it's original purpose and circumvent SOME of the derailment ensuing). I think, anyway

She did it again .. she called me .. cupcake! .. <swoon>

What are the odds of being dragged off by someone cool, versus an ignorant brute with cleanliness issues and the selfishness of a two year old?

My guess: pretty terrible odds.

It's sounding more and more like "creepy stalker's paradise" to me, if that's the premise.

/crafts retort about RL dating parallels being remarkably similar

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Actually, the difficulty of getting proper prim veils to fit is half the reason I gave up on the Gor sims before even getting started properly, so I try not to think too harshly about the makers and wearers of those supposed "freewoman" veils. But I usually fail. I still love the dresses though, even if I won't wear them on Gor. At least not until I discover that sculpties have solved the veil problem.



You should try some of the Northern (Torvaldsland) Sims. Free women dont have to wear veils. Come and visit us at Torvic Pass *shameless plug, I know*

Doesn't need to be Gor to be a creepy stalker's paradise. I got most of the worst obsessives by being on my own land building and them just turning up there. Course this was back in the days when people added as friends (foolish, foolish monkey girl) could see you on the map automatically.

25%! You should have all of it!

No June - Gor isn't entirely negative - it's given me more laughs than anything I have come across in SL. It is impossible for something so totally hilarious to be all negative, now!

Oh law! Me too!

This actually doesn't get said enough, people are so busy discussing heavy things.

Gor is RP, for many people in GOR it is an RP game, and they play it for FUN. Being based on science fiction, it brings out the inner adolescent, and its premise is ... sometimes hilariously ... unreal. The contrast between RP comments and OOC conversation is often side-splitting. There are a million different ways to be in Gor, but I say that unless you've seen your sim's Ubar on a dancing cow, you haven't really understood Gor.

Goreans are just people, living their kink, playing their game.

And, Des, I think Gor is much less a haven for sleezy stalkers than the kidnap roleplay sims, or perhaps Orientation Island, regrettably. But it's all SL. Escape is one click away.

Yes, it must be said that I probably sound way more down on Gor than I really am. I've observed some hilarious moments there. Some people (those with a sense of humour about it all) do have a *lot* of fun.

Great statement! And so true!



QFT!!!

The books are just soooooo funny! I'm convinced Norman *must* have written them as a send up and then finding they sold very well, he kept going for the money, of course!

Gor *is* good for business - so there's another positive aspect. Why, even my crawl on hands and knees animation has sold quite well

Gor is what you make of it. All sims in Gor have a different aspect as to what is proper roleplay and what isn't. There is also a fine line between the "roleplay" sims and the "lifestyler" sims. The roleplay sims are good if you just want to roleplay out a character and have fun in combat.

Most people that knock the roleplay there, have only heard word of mouth as to what the place is like and haven't actually played there. And then there are some whom have been there and left after some bad experience.

It's a very active realm and there are some good people that frequent the place.

You really need to experience it for yourself before coming to any conclusions.

I agree with Cherry here, despite the fact that I was making fun of Gor and the slave thing earlier. Just let people do what they want and leave them be. Except - make fun of them a little. Come on - we need to be able to laugh at ourselves a little. Trust me, it doesn't hurt. people laugh at me all the time.

In the RL story above, I kind of have to side with the cop. Poor guy. He's out there on his beat, trying to do the right thing when all of a sudden he sees a woman being nabbed and stuffed in a van. Can you imagine? He probably wasn't thinking, "hmmm. kinky." Then to have the victim start yelling at him. That's a world class WTF moment right there!

I'm lol'ing just imagining the report he had to write. Chief, you aren't going to believe this, but...

Cop should have arrested the woman. Disturbing the peace or something.

Me too in some ways, tho apparently he just grinned and walked off awkwardly once he had established what was going on. Maybe that's why the helmets they wear are that shape ...