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Dinalya Dawes
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01-16-2008 13:15
From: Love Hastings
I personally don't understand how there can be a market for buying slaves. Either Gor or BDSM. There are more submissives than dominants, and sadly, there are very few *good* dominants.

If anything, the dominants should be the ones up for auction.



*nods in agreement* Truest statement in the thread!
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Lexxi Gynoid
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01-16-2008 13:28
From: Dinalya Dawes
Lexxi, mistreating a slave girl? You do realize that in Gor, the books, slaves were nothing more than just animals to be done with as the 'Master' pleased, right? They were used for anything that the Master decided to use them as and no, it wasnt seen as mistreating them. So if someone purchased a slave and then left her out to be a chew toy, well, yannooo how that goes. Now, with slaves having limits and right or wrong ways to treat them, that isnt Gor by book standards, but by emotional standards. Slaves had no rights, unless the Master was in love with them, though even then....


I was talking about Trout or Desmond or whoever going to a Gorean sim, buying a slavegirl and going elsewhere. The "slavegirl" "signed up" to be in a Gorean sim (eaten by the animals or not), not to be sent to a Furry sim to be verbally abused and mistreated. I wasn't talking about the "character" but the person behind the screen.
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Market for buying slaves?
- Simple, turn your statement around (the part about quality of dominants, not number of subs). That is why there is a market - there are 1000s or more subs out there for every 50 quality doms (and 1000 other doms), but maybe 10% of the subs are 1) "quality"; 2) have "staying power"; or 3) quality willing to spend a few hours to week only with no longer term commitment.

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I've been to auctions. Sometimes there are 20-30 girls/boys to be sold and 3-5 "doms" watching (prices are quite low, as you might imagine). Sometimes there are 20-30 doms and 1 or 3 girls/boys being sold.

The entire idea bores me now, though.
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01-16-2008 13:36
From: Love Hastings
I personally don't understand how there can be a market for buying slaves. Either Gor or BDSM. There are more submissives than dominants, and sadly, there are very few *good* dominants.

If anything, the dominants should be the ones up for auction.


LOL that would get tricky though - since the slave would own the Master.


Kind of like a Sting song.
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01-16-2008 13:38
From: Colette Meiji
LOL that would get tricky though - since the slave would own the Master.


Well, you could use the old standby: "it's the last thing the slave will ever purchase..."

BTW, this thread is doing remarkably well given that there's no fear of mod interference. Congrats to all. Even Trout :p
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01-16-2008 13:44
I actually know of one Gorean sim that claimed a Slave could never leave. Even if they left SL Gor they were just a runaway slave and would be pursued. The only way to leave was for the slave to delete their account.

Now that was kooky.
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01-16-2008 13:47
And then there's the whole kos thing (kill on sight) for runaways. Yes, kill an avatar. Good luck with that. :p
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01-16-2008 13:48
From: Colette Meiji
lol

Great gorean auctions, what a discount!

How does that work, seriously? Hang out and spend time with new friends, like it or not, for a mere $L 30k or $L 10k or $L 1500 whatever?

So it's possible to fill a few mainland sims to overflowing with goreans, for $L 1M?

Something tells me this can't be even remotely possible. But how could they refuse? As in, if they didn't, would they still be goreans?

Would they then be Disney Goreans, and be scorned by the others?

Or maybe after the first 100 for $L 5k, would there would be a sort of kajiira commodity crisis? Might affect the spot market briefly, driving prices up?

I wonder how big the market is. It could be on SL's economic stats! I wonder what GNP is...



From: Lexxi Gynoid
Validation? Have no idea what you are talking about.

The two sides seem to dislike each other. Gifting a Gorean slave girl to a furry sim, or gifting a furry slave girl to a Gorean sim where they would more than like get torn to pieces really disturbs me.


Validation - I'm just saying that if someone is pretending to be a slave, well, wouldn't such a situation be fitting the role?

Of course, for the person behind the screen, there's very little on the grid that *isn't* ridiculous in some way or another, although, granted, a gorean given to FurNation is great potential for comedy gold. Can anyone truly say they take their SL experience 100% seriously?

I doubt anyone would be torn to pieces - especially if there are tensions. THe furries could respond with utter decency. It might turn out really cool! Imagine something like this...

http://www.unicornlady.net/images/Gallery/6-1/the_princess_and_unicorn.jpg
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01-16-2008 13:50
From: Love Hastings
And then there's the whole kos thing (kill on sight) for runaways. Yes, kill an avatar. Good luck with that. :p


well thats the whole "dead on SL gor" thing

What I'm referring to is actually worse. They said even if you "RP died" you could never leave.

Ghost Whisperer Gor.
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01-16-2008 13:52
From: Desmond Shang
Great gorean auctions, what a discount!

How does that work, seriously? Hang out and spend time with new friends, like it or not, for a mere $L 30k or $L 10k or $L 1500 whatever?

So it's possible to fill a few mainland sims to overflowing with goreans, for $L 1M?

Something tells me this can't be even remotely possible. But how could they refuse? As in, if they didn't, would they still be goreans?

Would they then be Disney Goreans, and be scorned by the others?

Or maybe after the first 100 for $L 5k, would there would be a sort of kajiira commodity crisis? Might affect the spot market briefly, driving prices up?

I wonder how big the market is. It could be on SL's economic stats! I wonder what GNP is...




ROFL.
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01-16-2008 13:52
Really, what gets me about SL Gor (or RL Gor too I suppose if I had any exposure to it) is what possibly Chav and others have mentioned, which is, Gor is inherently non-consensual. Any environment in which there is consent isn't Gor, by definition. Good thing, too.
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01-16-2008 13:56
From: Desmond Shang

So it's possible to fill a few mainland sims to overflowing with goreans, for $L 1M?


Doesn't the new search system remove the advantage of campers? Otherwise, *very* good!!!
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01-16-2008 13:56
From: Love Hastings
I personally don't understand how there can be a market for buying slaves. Either Gor or BDSM. There are more submissives than dominants, and sadly, there are very few *good* dominants.

If anything, the dominants should be the ones up for auction.


LOL

Ain't it the truth that dominants are in short supply :) Makes it all the sweeter if you find what you are looking for.
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01-16-2008 13:57
From: Love Hastings
Really, what gets me about SL Gor (or RL Gor too I suppose if I had any exposure to it) is what possibly Chav and others have mentioned, which is, Gor is inherently non-consensual. Any environment in which there is consent isn't Gor, by definition. Good thing, too.


some slaves are willing to give up consent .. to a degree.

Which by itself is an oxymoron.

Luckily except in the weirder of RL Gorean cults it ultimately is the slave consenting in it all.

Those enslaving women in those particular RL cults should absolutely be prosecuted. Preferably in countries which provide for castration.
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01-16-2008 14:00
From: Colette Meiji
some slaves are willing to give up consent .. to a degree.

Which by itself is an oxymoron.


Well yes, that's the inherent apparent (but not really) contradiction of slavehood, but well, that's not Gor. That's all I'm saying. :)
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01-16-2008 14:23
From: Colette Meiji
well thats the whole "dead on SL gor" thing

What I'm referring to is actually worse. They said even if you "RP died" you could never leave.

Ghost Whisperer Gor.


that's what's known as "Hotel California" Gor
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01-16-2008 14:23
From: Snowflake Fairymeadow
that's what's known as "Hotel California" Gor


hehe
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01-16-2008 14:38
From: Love Hastings
Really, what gets me about SL Gor (or RL Gor too I suppose if I had any exposure to it) is what possibly Chav and others have mentioned, which is, Gor is inherently non-consensual. Any environment in which there is consent isn't Gor, by definition. Good thing, too.


The case of selling a slave to a Furry sim, for instance. In "proper" Gorean terms the slave would just have to put up with it, whereas in SL she (in SL he is also possible) would just TP away and swear at you. So all this insistence that even "invisible" visitors dress the part is nit-picking something cosmetic while the entire thing is a sham anyway. Thankfully.
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01-16-2008 15:18
From: Dekka Raymaker
A bit like Harry Potter books on speed then?


I love it! I can imagine Harry Potter with his specs and scraf etc lording it over a string / chain of Kajira girls.
How about Gay Gor? Is there such a thing?
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01-16-2008 15:22
From: Lexxi Gynoid
I was talking about Trout or Desmond or whoever going to a Gorean sim, buying a slavegirl and going elsewhere. The "slavegirl" "signed up" to be in a Gorean sim (eaten by the animals or not), not to be sent to a Furry sim to be verbally abused and mistreated. I wasn't talking about the "character" but the person behind the screen.
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Market for buying slaves?
- Simple, turn your statement around (the part about quality of dominants, not number of subs). That is why there is a market - there are 1000s or more subs out there for every 50 quality doms (and 1000 other doms), but maybe 10% of the subs are 1) "quality"; 2) have "staying power"; or 3) quality willing to spend a few hours to week only with no longer term commitment.

-----

I've been to auctions. Sometimes there are 20-30 girls/boys to be sold and 3-5 "doms" watching (prices are quite low, as you might imagine). Sometimes there are 20-30 doms and 1 or 3 girls/boys being sold.

The entire idea bores me now, though.


It was pretty much me and Desmond, not whomever. There are likely a few whomevers floating about who thought it was funny, which, in the end was all I was going for, but they aren't really guilty. In fact, I don't think Desmond is all that guilty. It's just me.

at any rate, I would never advocate sending the person behind the screen anywhere he or she didn't want to go. The avatar signed up for slavehood, and if they don't like who they get sold to, they can leave. That's how SL works. Sending the actual person behind the screen somewhere would be kidnapping. I'm absolutely against RL kidnapping. I strongly advocate it in RP in SL because it makes me laugh hysterically. Snitching people off the streets in Drifter's Passage is an endless source of amusement, despite the fact that I haven't done it in months. Dang - I got busy. I really need to head over there. Nice people - kidnappers.

Where was I. Oh, right. Lexxi - I really didn't mean to offend you, and I would never advocate doing something truly hurtful to someone in SL or in RL. You know me better than that, don't you? I really feel like you need to be able to laugh at your second life in order to enjoy it, and when people take it too seriously, they set themselves up for hurt. Take the relationships you make and the friendships seriously, but take the goofy stuff that happens with a grain of salt. I'm sorry I hurt you.
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01-16-2008 15:30
From: Colette Meiji
I actually know of one Gorean sim that claimed a Slave could never leave. Even if they left SL Gor they were just a runaway slave and would be pursued. The only way to leave was for the slave to delete their account.

Now that was kooky.

Oh, I've heard that sort of thing, usually with relation to some sort of amazing "collar" which is "scripted" so that you can't get away from it whatever you do. And not only from Goreans. There is a standing offer of "all my stuff" to anyone who can collar me in such a fashion. Amazingly enough I've never been taken up on this; I still have all my stuff.

This is one thing that particularly gets to me. I am hardly the world's greatest Gor admirer, don't get me started, but there are lots of things which I am not fans of in this world. Deceiving people in order to dominate and exploit them, however, I am not prepared to accept.

Luckily it seems fairly uncommon.
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01-16-2008 15:34
From: Ordinal Malaprop
Deceiving people in order to dominate and exploit them, however, I am not prepared to accept.

Luckily it seems fairly uncommon.


Well yeah,

its usually the slave girls who are actually running things anyhow.
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01-16-2008 15:37
From: Ordinal Malaprop
Oh, I've heard that sort of thing, usually with relation to some sort of amazing "collar" which is "scripted" so that you can't get away from it whatever you do. And not only from Goreans. There is a standing offer of "all my stuff" to anyone who can collar me in such a fashion. Amazingly enough I've never been taken up on this; I still have all my stuff.


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01-16-2008 17:30
From: Ordinal Malaprop
Oh, I've heard that sort of thing, usually with relation to some sort of amazing "collar" which is "scripted" so that you can't get away from it whatever you do. And not only from Goreans. There is a standing offer of "all my stuff" to anyone who can collar me in such a fashion. Amazingly enough I've never been taken up on this; I still have all my stuff.


Yeah? What about your no-transfer stuff? What about that? Huh??
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01-16-2008 17:36
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01-16-2008 17:47
From: Love Hastings
Yeah? What about your no-transfer stuff? What about that? Huh??

Please contact the original vendor should "all my stuff" ever be transferred.

Oh, all right, I'll send whoever it is my password if they manage it. And my bank details. And my banking password. And my PIN, and all my cards.
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