Gorean is it all negative?

HURRAH!! A GOR THREAD!!!!

Only don't read the books because their poor grammar, and even poorer and more clumsy literary style, will make you want to claw out your eyes after 20 pages.

I have a notecard that is an analysis of the danger of Gor culture in Virtual Worlds and how they can affect RL people. If you want it IM.

Gor is Misogynous, they hate womans therefore it goes against nature, therefore it's dangerous, therefore shouldn't be accepted.

Of course; normal healthy people are affected by playing video games. Obviously.

Hypothetically, were that the case, it is only dangerous to women then. That's no reason why you should spoil men's fun.

A lot of people would make the same argument about homosexuals..or furries..or any number of things they happen to disagree with.

That's how I feel about American football.

I mean seriously; it's held up as the epitome of American red-blooded manly virtues - but they're such wimps that they wear armour plating to play it! There's nothing even vaguely manly about that.

Don't even get me started on baseball.

20 pages? You read 20 pages? You must be a fan.

I read 1 page and extrapolated that factoring in an estimation of how much more patient than me the average person is.

If you are able to read the forums you should be able to handle a Gor Book.

The literary styles are simillar, it's true.

Ahh, that takes me back.

Legends of the SL forums......

Indeed.

She slowly typed out her post, hoping it met the approval of the men present. Men she was only meant to serve.

You! Stop that at once!

LMAO!!!

Well, there's hate groups, and then there's Hogan's Heroes characters. I think a lot of things depend on how seriously you take them.

I used to play WWII flight simulator games, and to 99% of the people doing that it was just a game - there was no arcane, misplaced nationalism.

But there's always somebody who gets into anything too far, and goes off the deep end - which may have more to do with their personal issues than the setting.

I know literally thousands of people in SL, and when you rent out land, you tend to get told who the alts are, for this reason or that.

I'm not going to violate any confidences, but the typical person 'into' SL has an alt into each of: furries, vampires, steampunk, gor, blingtards (heh, sad fact), elves, and tinies and neko's, plus a few I've forgotten.

I have no idea what it's like for the gor people, but somehow, I honestly can't find a way to take it truly seriously. Selling oneself for doughnut money? It just *has* to be parody.

In my small experience with it, many of the 'slaves' I've run into have seemed like otherwise normal people just doing their own thing (odd as that seems) or have been a bit to the overbearing and pushy side.

Anyone so weak-willed as to be affected by anything on the grid that way... should get professional help, fast. I could see a few cases, but one wouldn't need 'gor' to harm a person with such low self esteem.

How many people on the grid could possibly be that far gone? An open question - I have no idea what the answer is.

Damnit. I need to catch up!

Actually in the "SL Gor is damaging" theory it's the social interaction that's the danger. This isn't a video game in the conventional sense of one player and NPCs. As for the men, well, if the average Gorean male is any indication then it's not exactly making them into compassionate friendly people.




Is a very good question. What we have is a subculture where massive reliance on another person is made into a virtue, with emphasis placed on obedience and servitude. There are of course any number of anecdotal stories of slaves having to make new accounts to get out, or being devastated when their master ditches them or brings in a new slave. But how common that is seems impossible to estimate. There's at least one "ex-Gor support group" out there, but I don't know the numbers or anything like that. At a guess most of them get on with it fine and there's a minority who are either vulnerable to start with or become so via the treatment they receive.

Theres been several "battered" subbies type groups over the years Ive been aware of

Of course a lot of those involved were basically having the same troubles before they ever tried BDSM. So its hard to say that Online Gor or BDSM shattered their Lives, virtual or otherwise.

Possibly in the rare case of someone getting too cuaght up in the fantasy.

There are also Im sure some who decided to take SL to RL and got mixed up with some really bizare people which might have led to trauma.

But I would think the number of emotionally sound people who became emotionally troubled soley from their involvement in online Gor or BDSM would be extremely small.

Hard to really know for sure, I'm not aware of studies on this.

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On the other side, men treating women badly - thats basically endemic to nearly every human culture. How much could be blamed on Gor online or RL would be hard to separate from all the other influences.

There is large amounts of domestic violence committed by men who never even heard of Gor.

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Of course I see where you are coming from -

A roleplaying / literary celebration of this sort of thing --- surely doesn't help any.

Any subculture in SL carries the risk of getting too tied to it, which can be as simple as having no friends outside it and being a bit adrift if your interest wanes. If there's also hostility to outsiders then that's not really going to help any. No idea if Gor is *that* much worse than the others without research.




Bingo. Having ideas that could/would be damaging in RL bolstered by RP can't exactly be positive and helping eradicate the problem.

I think there are Goreans who adhere to the " guidesand rules that there are" for the most part, and everyone has a good time...but as in every community, there are those who only have half-knowledge, who corrupt and twist it, and those are the ones who give it a bad name.


In any situation, half an education is more dangerous than ignorance. In my case, it soured me against a whole group I later found I knew nothing about. What I had been told was "gorean" was far from the truth.

Now, take the above writings, and take out Goreans, and put in any word of your choice...proper noun identifying any group. You can use religious groups, political groups, educational groups, fantasy groups, I even used "fluffy teddy bears" and it worked the same.

The only way you're gonna know is to dive in, observe, learn learn learn.

Isn't there a Gorean school somewhere? I haven't been there, but I was told they have interesting courses.

It isn't for me, but that doesn't make it bad. Just not my cuppa. but I live and let live.

Except Goreans are nastier.

erm....you said that, I didnt.

I dunno theres some kinks that are way out there.

Milk Cow farms

Dulcett

the "human Blow Up Doll" fetish.

Hi
Back again.
Well thanks for all the input, I will have to find time and read the replies again.
Initial conclusions is that many of you against it.
Next those of you who know/or been/are there, concentrate on the Slave Girl parts.
( Maybe I should become a slave there on condition I get 25% of the transfer fee, LOL.)
Thanks to all for the input.
I suggest no more posts on the Slave/Master things, and should there be anything to add it be about other roles/activities that take place.
Love
June